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Any reason why this driver shouldn't be in jail for at least 20 years? He only tried to kill two

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16169 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:49 pm on Sep 22, 2022
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people.

Link: https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-judge-wants-more-info-before-granting-teen-hit-run-drivers-request-early-release

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Thread Level: 2

He’s a good boy who was just late for church and was rushing. The 14 fights he has been in since

Author: TampaIrish (11369 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 pm on Sep 22, 2022
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Being in a juvenile probation camp were not his fault and he is misunderstood. We need to stop being so hard on him and let him go home. I’m sure he won’t get into anymore trouble. If he does, that won’t be his fault either.

I identify as the poster with the most suspensions in UHND history.
Thread Level: 3

Now you know what it sounds like for those defending Donald J. Trump. It’s never his fault.

Author: conorlarkin (20769 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:24 am on Sep 23, 2022
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The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Yes. The Double Jeopardy clause.

Author: conorlarkin (20769 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:00 pm on Sep 22, 2022
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The teenager was adjudicated delinquent and sentenced as a juvenile. It does not appear he was prosecuted in adult court.

Most juvenile courts retain jurisdiction to age 21 at the most.

Fairly egregious facts. Doubtful the offender is released early. But, your pitch for a 20+ year sentence is not in play. Not in juvenile court.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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"Juvenile" shouldn't apply to anyone over...let's go with 12.

Author: NedoftheHill (44315 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 10:23 pm on Sep 22, 2022
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I could be talked into doing away with juvenile court system altogether. It doesn't make sense. The court can take into account youth in sentencing. But this "under 21" thing is bogus. He can vote, but he can't make adult decisions? Yeah, that makes sense.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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I've argued for the opposite. Brain doesn't fully develop until mid 20s.

Author: iairishcheeks (26731 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:09 pm on Sep 23, 2022
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Really probably shouldn't drink alcohol, do recreational drugs or own firearms before then. Voting? Military service? Not sure. Should definitely be a factor in sentencing though.

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Tie the voting age to the age of adult responsibility, and I'm interested.

Author: NedoftheHill (44315 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 2:18 pm on Sep 23, 2022
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But, let's face it. If you don't know you shouldn't kill people by age 12, there is a good chance you will never learn that. Even if you do, that is still an adult act, and should carry adult consequences.

I come back to this: I just don't see a need for a juvenile judicial system. Judges can take age into account when sentencing.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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But at 18 you could be compelled to kill people. (Draft)

Author: iairishcheeks (26731 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:07 pm on Sep 23, 2022
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I think you're oversimplifying. Lots of reasons a 12 year old might justify killing that they wouldn't at 25.

Thread Level: 7

Judges are sophisticated enough to handle that nuance, don't you think?

Author: NedoftheHill (44315 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 4:58 pm on Sep 23, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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Juvenile courts are for ages < age 18.

Author: conorlarkin (20769 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:23 am on Sep 23, 2022
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But, in most states, the juvenile courts maintain jurisdiction over the sentence until age 21.

Jurisdictions also permit a juvenile to be be prosecuted as an adult for the most serious level crimes, and/or for 16+ year olds if certain factors are met.

The US Supreme Court has consistently recognized the difference between juvenile and adult culpability.


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris
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Correct in all respects.

Author: NedoftheHill (44315 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 7:50 am on Sep 23, 2022
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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.
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