The Nord Strom I & II Pipelines are under attack!
In all seriousness, both pipelines suffered catastrophic underwater events earlier this week five hours apart.
There's no possible way it was something other than sabotage.
European natural gas prices jumped 8% on the news, which are already 3x higher than a year ago.
All because Trump was not in office and we have incontinent incompetent instead who could not prevent this war. Unless we clear cut our forests for pellet fuel, Europe will freeze this winter and, frankly, they earned it!
Link: https://twitter.com/jupawlak/status/1574706752691511299
Replies to: The Nord Strom I & II Pipelines are under attack!
Starts off a reasonable post....then "All because Trump was not in office"
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Absolutely true since Biden waived Trump's sanctions to allow completion of Nordstream 2 in Baltic.
Have you forgotten so soon?
Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielmarkind/2021/05/21/nord-steam-2-saga-ends-as-biden-waives-sanctions/?sh=20b7484540ce
You have to admit, the asymmetry of this War just went from a 3 (all in Ukraine) to a 7 or 8 with
these pipelines being destroyed. Here's a pic from the Danes of the gas bubbling to the service. Looks like a manmade catastrophe to me.
Any hope of gas flowing to Europe via Nord Stream I is gone. And now the other pipelines are believed to be a risk.
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Why would the West have to respond?
It would make little sense for the Russians to destroy these pipelines - they could have just stopped selling.
Seems to me it was probably was done to hurt Russia. Not sure why the West would have to "respond."
If Russia didn’t do this, who did?
I really hope your answer is not the US. That would be a truly disastrous move by us, imo. It would probably result in the implosion of NATO and an irrecoverable loss of trust.
There aren’t too many countries with the capability to do this. I doubt there is any radical green organization that could do it.
I would think that the Ukrainians would be a prime suspect.
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Highly doubt they could do it.
No way they got a submarine to the Baltic.
With drones from us.... Seems likely.....
I very much doubt that Russia would threaten it's own pipelines - especially because precision in such a setting would be very limited, and they would know that they could completely screw themselves if the operation went wrong.
There is no way Ukraine flew multiple drones to the Baltic and struck pipelines 50 meters deep.
I doubt any drone could even do that.
I just looked it up. They lost their only submarine when the russians invaded crimea in 2014.
This was definitely not the Ukrainians.
Ummm...I was referring to underwater drones. Yes, we have those. Yes we have given them other drones
...and thus it is possible anyways.
You would deploy them from a boat miles away I would assume.
Ahhhh. I see.
I still think it would be a crazy risk for UKR to take because it would definitely piss off the majority of NATO
Agree. It would be risky forRussia or Us for diff reasons. So maybe even China ? Who knows.
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I doubt we did it. But I think it was more likely us than the Russians.
If we did it, I hope to hell that we were careful not to leave behind any clues.
That is insane. Should Biden be impeached if we did it? Attacking NATO?
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Uh, no.
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Wow, what a reckless move that would be.
I was convinced that there is no way we would do that. You made me nervous.
If we did do it, Biden and Blinken are like:
Agreed. Rumors flying that there were drones in the area.
Not too many countries capable of hitting underwater targets with drones. And it is probably significant that it all happened outside NATO territorial waters.
I just hope that if we were reckless enough to do this, we wouldn't be stupid enough to admit it.
Updated rumors
The fact that the pipelines were not destroyed, and that the damage may be reparable, might suggest that it was a Russian operation meant to remind the Europeans of their vulnerability. Amp up the pressure.
No one (in the unclassified world) knows at this point.
Best response to news.
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