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In their simplistic world, all that is stopping Saban from coaching at ND is a big fat paycheck.

I'd love to comment on that board about this but there is no point.

They are stuck in their self important 1988 time warp.

Doubt he would have any interest now. Funny thing is that at the time, posters on both boards preferred Gruden and Shanahan over Saban.

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Those people are fucking delusional.

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And it certainly isn't run like the groupthink, circle-jerkish cult that is ND(elusional)Nation.

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I am not sure repeating others' posts three days later (EWALD), or doing the same while adding your own retarded suffix sentences (DanB) is any more stupid than thinking Saban would come to coach at ND if we just tried hard enough.

Ironically the quality on Cartier over there is much better. Since it's allowed to have some free thought.

But what is your point?

One person posts something a bit unrealistic and the majority of the responses tell him that its crazy and yet that entire site is crazy. I just find it funny.

And the only moderator in that thread isn't saying that Saban will come but trying to get people that say "there's no way" to think about different ways it potentially could happen rather than just throwing their hands up in the air.

1) Today's big time hire was yesterday's small time hire. When LSU hired Saban, there was no masturbating over him. When OU hired Stoops he wasn't big timey. When Chip Kelly took the job, he wasn't big timey.

There is ZERO historical precedent for a coach to leave a Top 20 all time program behind having WON at that spot, to go to another Top 20 all time program. It just doesn't happen.

Just because that guy El Kabong is a moderator and runs the site doesn't mean crap. He's as batshit crazy (and uninformed despite what he says) as any poster on there.

But there is a reason why OSU was lauded to the degree it was for Meyer. It was because they went after and landed an established coach. And yes, I know he didn't have a job...blah blah.

And I don't give a rat's ass if no coach has left a top 20 school for another. First of all, was Rodriguez's WVU team a top 20 school at the time? I just looked it up. They were ranked 9 and 11 when he left. Regardless, I still don't care. Doesn't mean it can't happen.

I believe the rational point is if there are istitutional problems, other than money, that are stopping the top coaches from coming we need to identify them and fix the ones we can. The problem is we won't and that's why we can't hire a top tier coach.

And by the way, I find it funny that you say people that actually sit on the Board of Trustees have no insight. If that's the case, the school really is screwed.

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But he may do well to come to the hallowed halls.

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I am starting to get a little worried.

In any event, I limit said references to three (3) a month, so worry not.

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When LSU hired Nick the prick, I remember some of my friends who are alumns from that fine institution of Southern learning bitching about hiring that squirrely looking Yankee. And when they hired Miles....bwahahahhahaha, although they were right about that one. You don't want hire Saban, you want to hire the next Saban.

Those people ARE fucking delusional...and by those people, it is all the pie in the sky, self important people with no sense of reality. You only fit one of these critia...

Regardless, I don't think a rational discussion of what would it take to get a coach of that caliber is that crazy. Telling Swarbrick to just cut a check is silly but looking at all the factors in the discussion is not. Especially when our processes to date over the past 15 years have led to mediocrity at best. Saban is just an example of who we should be targeting in our next search - he's not the only target. But a discussion of what would help win over someone like that is productive. At least in my opinion.

Or you can take the equally unrealistic approach that "no one like that would EVER come here."

And yes, I am self important.

Other than money?

I certainly wouldn't want to come work at a job that has not been on top in twenty years and yet still considers themselves elite.

Including ego and immortality.

But you are right that there are reasons that the job is harder than others. Some of those reasons cannot and will not be changed. Others can be. Let's identify those reasons and work on them. Instead, most here just want to say "this is the best we can do."

He is an excellent coach, but all three of his NC's have come with top level SEC talent. That talent will not be at ND. It takes both the coach that he supplies but also the players.

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Once or twice would have been adequate. I'm not sure but what Mushburger wanted to ask him out after the game. He would have been well rested.

He underestimated the annoying singularity of Mushmouth once he gets something in his pea brain.

He's like Chris Berman...just unbearable.

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