won three more national titles if he was allowed to attend. He is not a stupid guy either. He could have gotten his degree. Lou Holtz said he was the greatest offensive player he ever saw. Bobby Howard, was a classy guy who was his teammate in high school and said he was a good guy. We had such a shitty group of admissions and athletic directors combination that year it makes me ill. To me though statistically not, Moss was the best receiver ever in the NFL. Remember we had to go with Emmit (drop punts and passes) Mosely against Ohio State in back to back years in 1995 and 1996. We would have beaten a superior talented than us Ohio State team in 1995 and would have beaten an about the same talented wise Ohio State team in 1996.
Moss and another student were thrown out of high school after the two of them beat up another student, forcing the latter into a hospital with severe internal injuries. In addition, he kept putting off completing the necessary papers for admission to ND. Finally, Holtz and the school gave up. Holtz called his o'buddy, Bobby Bowden, and got him to take Moss. Before Moss could play for FSU, he was caught using weed and suspended. He transferred to Marshall and went on to star there.
A short time after this all went down, I was at a friend's wedding. An older couple was sitting across from us at dinner and mentioned they were from Charleston, WV. For whatever reason, I mentioned I was an ND grad and that we had missed on a player from his neck of the woods. Told him who it was. Much to my surprise, this guy said he knew Moss as a young kid. He owned a parking garage in the downtown area. Moss and his buddies used to frequent the general vicinity and this guy knew him when he was 13 or so. Guy said he kept warning Moss to stop his stealing and other questionable actions or the he was going to screw up his life. Said Moss was a kid always in trouble. I about fell out of my chair when he told me this, never thinking he would even know RM. He was not a RKG for ND. Don't think he would have made it very far. We would never have won anything with him.
just wondering if you have other goofy obsessions..........
that was when we were pretty horrid and Huarte became a star in 1964 so the Moss denial of admission had way more effect than Staubach not getting in due to grades.
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Staubach wanted to go to ND but ND declined to offer.
Same thing is true about Carson Palmer.
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Even if “allowed to attend,” are we to think he would have stayed out of trouble at ND? And ND lost 12 games in those three seasons (‘95, ‘96, ‘97). I don’t really think ND was just a Randy Moss away from 3 more NCs if he been able to stay on the field for ND.
Moss had Chad Pennington at Marshall. Whatever you think of him, he was a starting NFL quarterback for a long time. Powlus was not that. Notre Dame wasn't going to be good enough to overcome him on a national level, in my opinion.
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But he was on probation and under the microscope as it was, facing a threat of jail for screwing up. And that didn’t keep him away from weed.
by peer pressure, so a different environment might have led to different life outcomes for him.
It's worth watching if you are interested in him.
It was released before he joined ESPN, and there were parts of the story he did like being told. He seems to have toned down his criticism of it now that he had a new employer.
Link: http://www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=randuniversity
him on the straight and narrow more. I know his history but Holtz would have toned him down immediately.
3 more NCs? Adding Randy Moss was not turning a 7-6 ND team into a national champion.
And beyond theorizing what might have happened if ND had given Moss the shot, it is hard to rationalize how ND could have given him a shot after his legal issues in WV and his reported disinterest in the student application process. It's fun to imagine what Moss at ND would have looked like. But the rest is hard to imagine.
field and I think a bowling ball was involved—could be wrong.
Randy reportedly kicked him in the head. Not sure if bowling was involved.
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/sports/sports-people-football-schoolboy-star-pleads-guilty.html