Wimbush threw a total of 222 passes in high school
Book a total of 934
Jurkovec 765
if a QB doesn't throw well by senior year of high school, it's tough to rewire that much muscle memory. Rewiring something like that takes a lot of time and practice. I played golf with a highly recruited D1 QB - state player of the year, 4 start recruit. He said his entire first year was devoted to simply shortening his wind up. BTW, he never played a down in college. I'm curious how much time Wimbush was asked to dedicate to refining his motion, footwork and accuracy versus simply learning the offense.
Have seen him more like an athlete/RB learning to play QB - really didn't and still doesn't have the passing skills that would make him effective against good college Ds (*). However, he has vastly improved (saw him in person in his first game) and hopefully will continue to do that for this season so he is there when needed. As noted in the thread a position change may come for his last season of eligibility.
There are a lot of QBs have played on teams that use spread offenses before they got to HS - if this case it's possible that the number of passes thrown in their careers has a much wider gap that just what happened in HS. In the context of the thread that could mean a lot more developed muscle memory plus experience in seeing the field, etc.
Also would not be surprised to find that his HS offensive system was less pass oriented than the other two and would love to know for each how many pass plays were actually called. Am suspecting a lot more of his plays ended up being runs for plus yardage.
*See QB effectiveness being talent plus what the other 10 players can or cannot do. Think this year the expectation was the tall wide outs could get enough separation that we could throw deep along the sidelines which hasn't happened so we needed someone better at distributing the ball and appear to have found him.
assessment of his passing ability. I have no idea what Wimbush threw like in high school, but what stands out to me is that the other two QBs threw 3 to 4 times more passes and in total were much closer to 1,000 while Wimbush was much closer to 100. Yes, muscle memory plays into those numbers but it seems like with Wimbush's small number of throws, comperatively, it would be hard to get a true evaluation of what he could become as a passer.
For instance Let's say ND scouts went to seem him play 5 times and he threw 20 passes each of those games. In those 5 games he threw 50% of all the passes that he threw in 4 years. I don't think you can get a real good idea of a kid in such a small sample. Especially, when the small sample makes up so much of the total. I know a lot more goes into the recruitment than that, but only 222 passes in high school is kind of schocking for a kid you want to be your QB in this day and age.
watching about a dozen passes in 7 on 7 drills. Whether or not he can run an offense and read the defense is another story and needs a lot of evaluation.
coaches.
Coming out of high school the reports were that Wimbush had a strong arm and was inaccurate...he has not progressed and also had challenges with making quick decisions, seeing the field, running RPO, going through his progressions....so far Book has shown he can be a QB... Wimbush gave it his best shot and has handled becoming the back up QB with class and dignity...He is one play away from being the starting QB and is vital to the teams continued success...
Wimbush seems mature enough not to overreact to his misfortune. And he will undoubtedly see the field again soon in some capacity.
and really should consider another position...if he wants to play at the next level
He likes contact... Defensive back...
more than we need a brilliant Free Safety and the guy is like 12-3 as a starter.
Definitely need him as back up QB...I was thinking with his athletic ability CB or your suggestion safety in the NFL..
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He worked with a guy who Chip Long knows.
I feel he is over thinking which makes him hesitant to pull the trigger independent of his accuracy issues.
A few observations about the offense re Book vs Wimbush. For some reason the offense seems to move faster with Book running it and he is much more decisive and quicker with his decisions than Wimbush. There is clearly more misdirection with Mack's TD as one example. Even if the counter runs aren't necessarily working well, they give the defense more to worry about and open more receivers. It certainly helps that Williams should be scaring the shit out of defenses from now on.
There appear to be more sprint out passes getting Book outside the pocket than Wimbush has. I don't know if that is a function of Book (he is smaller and needs to be out of pocket and/or throws better on run that Wimbush) or a reflection that Book runs the offense better than Wimbush. While Wimbush is a stronger runner ( surprisingly Book seems more nimble in the pocket), his runs are anticipated by the defense limiting the effectiveness of the RPO with the defense pressing the pocket rather than worrying about Wimbush passing.
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next to building a hill of course.
Kelly spent the time between seasons telling Wimbush he had to be better. Kelly gave Wimbush 3 games to show and he didn't. Now it is Book's turn and so far so good.
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