He said at the end of the broadcast that if Georgia beats Bama in SEC championship game, ND should be left out and Michigan should be in (under the assumption that Clemson, ND, and Michigan win out).
This is an ESPN expert?
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Pretty quiet until Michigan was in play, then he wants to resort to his own version of the eye test.
He's almost as bad as committee member Frank Beamer hyping up the ACC.
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Waxing both Michigan and Northwestern. That is a scenario which puts ND in some trouble for not winning more decisively when they had the chance.
That said, I don't think Ohio State is all that good this year, after Purdue and Nebraska games, and I think Urban has some issues. I don't believe they win out.
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WILL jump Notre Dame. Michigan simply can not until Notre Dame loses.
There is no rational justification to jump a team with a loss over an unbeaten team that beat THEM head-to-head.
Committee would be demonstrably on the take if they did that.
That would seal Clemson, UGA, and Bama, and would create a "discussion" about Michigan.
But crazy shit always seems to happen near the end, so I'm not sure any particular scenario is worth worrying about.
I just hope they don't happen to us for starters.
What was that, back in June?
Keep in mind the committee is independent.....it is not out of the realm that they would feel Michigan is the stronger team
Just got to win out and pray.....this is going to get dicey
...than the undefeated team that beat them head to head. There is simply no rational basis for putting Michigan ahead of an unbeaten ND. None.
Certain other one loss teams, rightly or wrongly, may be able to jump ND in the right set of circumstances. Michigan by virtue of its head-to-head loss can not jump an unbeaten ND without calling the whole system into serious question.
An undefeated ND that beat UM head-to-head pretty much has to be in ahead of UM. I don't really see any way around it. This isn't '93 all over again. If ND had won out, ND would have played for the NC. Is it outside of all possibility for the committee to do something totally off the rails? I guess not. But it will be a major shocker if UM and ND win out and UM gets into the CFP and ND doesn't. All that said, I sincerely doubt both ND and UM end the season undefeated.
It's just a major shocker to the ND faithful
It is definitely a possibility as some of the more level headed folks on this board have agreed
Eye test is a major component of the CFP board....that is obvious.....
You are in denial if you dont agree with that thesis
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shocker and there are others, in some cases depending on how ND plays down the stretch, that can get past an unbeaten ND.
I get why Herbstreit and others trying to gin up ratings say and promote nonsensical shit, but if Michigan gets in over an unbeaten ND that it LOST to on the field, the CFP system is officially a joke and is demonstrably worse than the system it was meant to correct. I don't think they'll risk that....even for khaki britches.
One team can dramatically improve
Book is a huge improvement at QB but we have still had challenges blowing away teams we should have.....
Clearly there are folks who believe Michigan is a better team despite having lost to ND two months ago
I dont think there is anything guaranteed for ND right now
I believe they deserve to be in the CFP if undefeated......but I dont believe that is a slam dunk
there has to be a reason that they play the games. Beating Michigan in September can not be tossed out now as being "quasi-pre season" because it was played Labor Day weekend. It is either part of the College Football Season or it is not. ND BEAT the 2018 Michigan team on the field in a regular season game. Throwing THAT out would make the whole thing a farce.
is much better team with Book now. Michigan struggled, actually fell behind big, to Northwestern. They have not dominated in every game either. Alabama is the only one loss team that could get in based on the eye test.
Alabama, they are in
You are very wrong, but that is because you are blind
You have your blind spot. Michigan does not jump an unbeaten ND that they lost to on the field. Not gonna happen.
They both have one loss and Michigan jumps, same as FSU in 1993, but not until ND loses can Michigan surpass them. Others can, Georgia being the most obvious...
Paid shill for the Disney Corporation....... Whole CFP committee thing is Kabuki theater... want to see ND roll FSU...
Galloway said that ND wins out, we are in especially since ND beat Michigan.
Herbstreit makes a face like he smelled the world's worst fart, then said (and I quote) "that win was back in June" Does this idiot even know when the CF season starts?
facetious? no? Obviously he knows when the season started
No? Let me help you.....
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Nice try though.
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He's obviously an ESPN/BIg 10 shill who is REALLY hoping Its his beloved OSU in final 4, not UM...He'll make UM sound like the second coming of Bama, so he can extoll the virtues of OSU getting in, should they beat UM..Just tune him out, if ND is 12-0, they're in...period..
I would rather see OSU in the playoff. I think it is very unfair to ask two comparable teams to play twice in the same season. The loser of the first has a big advantage. See ND-LSU whatever year it was.
this week, has a tough game in EAST Lansing VS MSU, AND of course plays UM in Columbus in finale..You'd have to assume 2 impressive wins puts them in contention..
Ditto
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...chance that, by building them up as much as possible, he can then supplant tOSU for them should they beat Michigan soundly.
Expect he is setting that stage for that, should it come to pass, more than anything. Would be tougher scenario vis-à-vis ND without the Head to Head result to stand on.
It's one of the reasons that winning decisively remains important. "Just win baby" is good but, with limited spots available, slots can come down to intangibles. It would be advisable for ND to win handily if possible and for Kelly to run up the score if he has the possibility. Kelly is not prone to do that...which, at some point, will be to his own detriment. Sorry...but that is the system...as Herbstreit and the angst over his stance demonstrate.
Because they lost to an average Purdue fan and haven't looked impressive for 5 weeks
it on big time and win big in all of their remaining games, but there would then be sentiment to move them past the Irish.
Michigan is the better team right now
Does he not have a right to an opinion?
I guess he does as long as it supports ND
Do you think he cares what ND fans think?
Even if LSU puts it all together down the stretch and by "eye test" looks like the best team in the nation at season's end, nobody would say "put them ahead of 'Bama because we feel they are better right now." The season has to mean something. And, yes, record doesn't mean everything. Teams don't play identical schedules. And head-to-head isn't always the bottom line. But jumping an undefeated team that you lost to is unjustifiable. Even if you think that team would win if they played today. Hell, let's say everyone is right that ND would beat 'Bama only 1 time in 10. If ND got it's "one time" win in the NC game, would we consider keeping 'Bama ahead of them because we think 'Bama would win a rematch? I hope not. If we're to the point where the games played don't matter, pull the plug.
Why would a guy who.hates Michigan be biased towards them?
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“Feelings” are not part of the selection process. The primary criteria are RECORD and H2H matchups and common opponents. ND has decided advantage on all 3. So he could say he thinks a 2 loss LSU is better than ND too, and that’s fine: BUT he cannot say LSU should jump ND in rankings because that is not the way the system’s fact-based criteria work.
Why LSU is #7 ahead of three very good one loss teams?
You are naive to think there isnt more at play here....it is not just based on record
If it was based on record UCF would be in the Top 4 as well correct?
...but they can't be THAT obvious about it! Record over quality teams, SOS, and common opponents are enumerated criteria. If your best retort is UCF, I can't help you. Bias can only play a role in marginal cases. LSU and Michigan don't fit that role.
Is obvious evidence that they are willing to look at eye test
And SOS
And as someone else said they havent EVEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, Conference Championships yet in the rankings which is the #1 criteria
I am not saying Michigan will jump us
I am just being realistic in recognizing it can happen
Talk about having blinders on.......or just being plain stupid
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But if you all think that to be true, more reason that ever to be nervous about us making CFP right?
I don't get the ambiguity.
Sure, it isn't just about record. But it is unjustifiable to put a one-loss UM ahead of a no-loss ND when ND beat them fair and square. You can say a "good loss" means more than a "bad loss." But I don't for the life of me see how anyone can justify UM ahead of ND. It's nonsensical.
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