I tell them well number one Notre Dame not need to play two basically d-2 nobody games each year and correct me if I am wrong but I thought Notre Dame tried in the past to be in the big ten years ago and the big ten voted against it as far as football.
Thanks I just dont want to or dont have to argue with all these complainers but I would like to have some great counters against their whining.
I did say also when in this case for example all the SEC teams should play 12 conference games also a year instead of two or three non conference patsies games they can sit their annually suspended players out for a game or two.
Thanks and GO IRISH!
Just me I have also always liked this scenario for a long time also.
I will state this once as I see some happy college football fans and oh my gosh some really whining fans. Here is my playoff scenario. Use the Polls, Eight Game National TItle playoff, Top Six Conference Champions go and then the next two highest ranking teams in the Polls makes up the other team whatever team whatever conference it is not but one more week of games and I think a simple make the majority of people happy. Plus one more weekend of college football makes all these people a whole lot more money.
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ND not being in a conference this year didn't keep them out.
But a 1-loss ND team is going to have a tough time getting in.
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The CFP isn't and was never intended to give spots to conference champs.
Why should we join a conference?
It used to be everyone argued that we were independent for money. That is not true. Each Big Ten member gets $51M/year. Our NBC deal is reported to be worth $15M/year. Those aren't typos. Conference affiliation would be far more lucrative for Notre Dame.
They might argue that it's too easy for us to make the playoffs. Well, we just made our first. Had we lost a single game, we would not be in the playoff. Our path to the playoff is more, not less, difficult.
If they argue that we need a mythical '13th data point', just counter that we'll schedule Furman, Mercer or The Citadel if it makes them feel better.
Or they might say we take the spot of a conference champion. The only appropriate answer to that is 'so what?'.
There is no sound argument that we should be compelled to join conference. None.
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Stanford
Northwestern
Georgia Tech
Duke
Vanderbilt
Rice
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Army
Navy
Air Force
Nine game conference schedule, which allows ND to play USC, Michigan and then bring back Purdue as a perennial rival.
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1. I don't find rotating schedules with Syracuse, Nevada, Texas, NC State, Temple, Arizona State, Louisville, BYU, Rutgers, Maryland, South Florida, et al, "exciting." Notre Dame hasn't had a schedule that has excited me for twenty years, at least. I'd be more "excited" by making a few of the teams in the fictional conference every-year rivals.
2. This conference would both reduce the pressure to cheat or lower academic standards. Notre Dame is different than most. Let's keep it that way.
3. I'm not much of a fan of the style of contemporary football. Hearing a current version of Anthony Johnson/Jerome Bettis up the middle on first down of the first play of the game, as Holtz used to do, would render me orgasmic. Playing in a conference with Stanford, the Service Academies and possibly a couple others on that list might get ND back to playing a more run-oriented scheme. At its best 25/30 years ago, ND was always the most physical team on the field. Maybe even some option, dare I dream? Teams are even less able to stop the option these days because they see it so little. ("You'll never be able to recruit great wide receivers!")
Those who don't, suffer to those who do, the conference title games notwithstanding which the committee has shown time and time again isn't the end all be all. Win all your games in the regular season and your conference title will take precedence, if you lose then you are vulnerable to another undefeated. This is really not hard to understand except for people who just want to make up some arbitrary bullshit about joining a conference.
to the conference title game. So the total number of real games is comparable.
@NDsidBertschy: Among Bama, CU, ND, Ga, OU and OSU, the Irish are no worse than 3rd in FBS wins (12), Power-5 wins (10), AP top-25 wins (4), current CFP top-25 wins (3), road/neutral wins (6) and Power-5 winning record wins (5).
And, the Irish needed just 12 games to do it.
#BertschyBits
"Miles traveled: Ala. 3,878, GA 4,489 ND 12,551."
How many "conference" teams have to travel to NYC for one of their "home" games? How many conference teams have to fly to San Diego one week, travel to Chicago the next week, have the one real home game of their last five, fly to New York the next week, then fly to Los Angeles the final week? How many play two B1G teams, two PAC 12 teams, one SEC team, 5 ACC teams, and NO FCS teams?
Not many.
They have defeated 3 of the then current AP top 21 and final playoff committee's top 22 and it isn't their fault Florida State and USC happen to have two horrible head coaches who don't know what to do with all the talent they have recruited.
The cost to ND for joining the ACC in every sport except football (independent) and hockey (Big 10) is that they had to eliminate annual games against traditional rivals Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue in order to play 5-6 ACC games per year. They now ony can schedule those three teams intermittantly. Only Pitt and BC were tradional rivals and they can't play them every year now but can still schedule them every 3 years. Getting Clemson and Florida State on the rotation schedule is a good tradeoff.
The cost to also join ACC in football full time instead of what they have now would basically have been to eliminate USC, Stanford and probably Navy from the annual schedule (at least 2 of those 3) which they hopefully will never do. They will also continue to make a Thanksgiving trip to Cali every year, alternating home & home games with USC and Stanford.
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I’m much happier to be arguing ND earned their playoff shot rather than arguing ND got screwed out of their playoff shot.
for and against the Irish in the CFP. It works for in that they don’t have to play that extra game. It works against as it is a lot easier for a one loss conference champ to go then it is for a one loss ND team. I can also think of no situation where a two loss ND team is even in the discussion as a two loss UGA team just was.
If they are the usual CFB moron, just tell them to piss off.
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But, even so, conference championships were not important the past two years, when OSU and Alabama got in to the CFP without playing in a conference championship.
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Committee concluded, rightly or wrongly, it was unequivocally one of the 4 best teams in the nation, which gave it the discretion to include Alabama in the Playoff over the conference champions of the Big10 and PAC12 (among others). Without that fail-safe discretion the Championship could be compromised by an early-season upset of what clearly is the best team in the nation. You can't have such discretion for a conference non-champion and not for an independent. Also, nanny nanny boo boo.
I think ND wanted to be in the Big 6 (?...predecessor to the Big 10) back in the 20's or something, but they didn't want us.
The Big 10 tried to get us to join 10ish years ago, and ND turned the Big 10 down. This was right before the Big 10 expanded with other teams. We got first choice, and shot them down.
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Please. The Big Ten is as strong as any conference in the country, year in and year out. The SEC has one consistent team at the top: Alabama. Georgia has been up and down for decades. Auburn's the same. So is Florida.
Alabama/Ga was pretty good this year, but that's about it. And even then, it was not affecting Alabama's chances for getting into the playoffs, win or lose.
Personally, I'm fine with the old way: whichever team wins the regular season is the conference champion.
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Ask them about Bama last year.
The second one tends to shut them up more quickly.
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