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but we don't know what the top end of Notre Dame is because we obviously don't have an elite coach.

I think many of us would very much like to see what ND can accomplish with one. We may never get one, but that remains the only path to a championship.

son. It's hard to improve on 12-1 against a Clemson or Alabama, but, despite being in the playoff, I don't think with Kelly coaching ND could beat UGA, OSU, Oklahoma or Texas.

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Whoever someone names as better coach(es) are quickly derided by someone else as not being any good based on whatever basis one chooses to select. It is easy to come up with a list of 10 coaches that probably are "better" coaches than Kelly that would be available to ND but that is impossible to prove.

I've seen Brian Kelly coach for 10 years at ND and it is pretty clear he isn't elite. Kelly is the coach and that is just the way it is. But don't expect the folks who don't bow at the "good enough" altar or accept a 30-3 rout as an "understandable" talent gap to think that there aren't several superior and available coaches ( and I'll leaving out the Saban, Meyer, Dabo and (pick your favorite elite coach who won't ever coach at ND) that would have produced better results with this very team. Are there elite coaches out there? Absolutely! People seem to forget that at one time Urban Meyer (insert Scott Frost or Tom Herman) was just a hot young coach on the come (think it's hard to come up with a list of 10 guys who are viewed similarly now?), Bob Stoops/Jimbo Fisher were no-name offensive coordinators, and Dabo Swinney was a guy with a funny name.

In my opinion, which is as valid or invalid as anyone's, Kelly, after 10 years, with probably a more talented team overall, is producing basically the same results that he did in 2012. We weren't competitive in 2012 and we weren't competitive in 2018. After 10 years, I don't see the progress. Sure 12-1 is a fine season but it was hardly above expectations given the schedule. Again and again, he gets schooled by coaches as not only at "better" football schools but at schools with much lower levels of talent. His teams rarely overachieve and far more often that not underachieve in games. That is a sign of poor coaching, not an under-talented team. Kelly himself said he wasn't out-talented vs Clemson which is either a) blaming the players (something he does early and often as if no other college coaches deal with this problem) and/or b) blaming himself for poor preparation.

The next time Kelly wins a game he "shouldn't," it may be the only 2nd or 3rd time he has done that at ND after 10 years. That wouldn't be true if he were an elite coach.

be the next big time guy versus one who won’t.

Far be it for me to claim that Kelly is elite, but ND has also hardly shown itself capable of picking the next great one in its coaching searches.

A lot claim that they can give you ten or even thirty who would be better, but when they actually have to list the names, there is no way they can back that up. I’m not the one claiming that Kelly is the answer, but I have yet to see someone named that would come and would be worth the risk. Again if you have the inside track, let me know who and why they are a safe bet to be an upgrade worth the replacement.

Kelly was regarded as low hanging fruit for ND in 2008.

The general consensus was that it was a lazy search by Swarbrick who had failed to do his homework leading up to the choice.

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You really think ND should hire a triple option coach to attract that elite talent you want?

Harsin seems to be a decent coach, but what qualifies him to have done a better job? Seems like UT laid some pretty big eggs when he was there and what’s Boise’s experience against elite teams?

to go after elite talent for any of the myriad of reasons already discussed. let’s face it, Kelly said this was his best team ever and it’s probably an 8 to 15 ranking.

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Old Notre Dame will do whatever and you’ll
Like it Spaulding?

The father was seemingly unaware that he was trying to crush Rudy's dreams just to avoid the heartache.

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coverups of bad behavior? The schools that regularly win nattys run it as a sport bidness not as an academic institution. ND won’t and shouldn’t do that.

You should be smart enough to see ND sure as shit is in the sports bidness as you put it. NBC contract, Under Armour. That's big bidness. Wake up or go the way of the dodo. I don't see too many dodos, do you?

Cut the BS. The impact players we need aren’t coming to SB.

no longer the case. DBs? Seem to be in pretty good shape. The challenge now seems to be at the WR position. Well, ND was in the running for a number of WRs that went to USC last year, so it's not as if that sort of talent doesn't want to come to ND.

I actually think the biggest issue with ND right now is the OL. A few first round draft choices, notwithstanding, I think NDs OL has been pretty weak since Davie's days. What's odd about the OL is ND routinely has one of the best OL classes based on recruiting rankings. That is why I'll continue to say there is something in the scheme that is limiting the potential of the OL.

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year, because it was clear their talents would not flourish with Wimbush. And, supposedly, the younger WR's are studs. Now, why their talents aren't maximized earlier in their careers once again gets at scheme and coaching.

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Start you own website for quitters Frankie

do we get them?

Or you can just bitch likely a whiny jerk.

CB need help for Love. Crawford injury hurt no depth
OL No confidence they can open a whole when a yd is needed.
WR Tough to tell. Kelly didn't let the speedy players play. I guess we'll find out next season. WR play was awful the other day
OFF Cor terrible play calling and no adjustments. No creativity to help Book

I see ND currently does not have 1 player from the top 100 for 2019. That's pathetic for this school.
As I've stated before take some chances on kids who may be the bottom of the acceptance range. You don't have to go extreme like the 1980's Miami teams. Everyone on this board seems to think that. Otherwise ND will be an also ran. Duke basketball sure has a hell of a program. I don'y see too many NASA engineers on their team. And they are ranked higher academically than ND.
Evolve or die. Seems the experts on this board want to die..so it be Frankie

What is the bottom of the acceptance range, but not extreme like 1980’s Miami?

He has recruited speedy receivers and half of the OL from the last couple of years is playing in the NFL.

Seems like recruiting those types of players hasn’t been the issue.

Please have your mom reread things to you. I'm sorry you cant understand things.
Also, West Coast also laid out some solid points. But you don't seem to be able to comprehend things.
BTW that great O line from last year had some epic failures. I hope you remember them. And when short yardage was needed they under preformed.
I'm done arguing with you. Please take your negative, loser, i want to be be an also ran attitude someplace else.
I wish you a Happy New year and hope you get the mediocrity in your life that you wish for ND.
PS You can look up the definitions of what range, mean and median mean in this thing called google or duckduckgo.

See you in the fall have a wonderful off season and God Bless

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going to fail because their degree is worthless?

Their degrees are just fine, but their football programs are completely different.

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Please outline the “striving” we need to do.

We get plenty of talent.

Just not like the greyshirting Semi pro programs of which there are a couple

beat and accepting it as the state of the union is what gets leaders voted off the island, be it college football or running a company.

One on par with the Bama and Clemson’s of the world. Who is the coach? How do we get the”impact” players to get there?

Put up or STFU.

before they have degree in hand. I would change that philosophy. I would open the door to juco's and prep school kids who qualify academically. I have to assume some decline an ND offer because of the dorm situation. It will never happen, but I'd create an athletic dorm. Hell, many schools have suite set ups for all students these days. I would start to recruit to fit an ongoing scheme rather than recruiting players that are right kind of guys. I'd need to see more about ND's entrance and class requirements to provide additional perspective.

I would not remove Kelly at this time, but I wouldn't extend his contract without some wins against top 10 competition over the life of his contract. Neal Brown would be my first choice as a replacement, but he won't be available at the end of Kelly's contract.

Completely unrealistic and not what ND is about.

ND, to its credit is first and foremost about graduating students and student athletes with degrees. That will never and should never change. Especially to please some footy fans like us who never even went there. They also aren’t going to build semi pro team athletic dorms.

So again, you are completely full of shit.

the best without cheating, that's fine. Of course, if ND is admitting athletes who wouldn't get in otherwise, it's already tossed its mission in the trash can.
There's no reason to expect ND to really be elite if it wants to kid itself and assume it can compete at the highest levels with the Du Lac running things and a secret desire to be a D1 Ivy League school.

Where it won’t change is where it impacts its fundamental mission, educating and graduating students, and student athletes. Those who don’t want degrees and want to live in seclusion with their cohorts can go elsewhere.

You revealed how unrealistic you are.

I would like to dig up Rockne and bring him back to coach but that ain’t happening like the things you want aren’t either.

will be elite anytime in the future. The landscape has changed and ND really hasn’t.

i would never advocate cheating, but I think ND should be more open with admissions if the kid has a serious interest in getting an education and can perform.

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I think they have made reasonable compromises and that Kelly will leave the program in much better shape than he got it.

They aren’t going to go for guys who don’t want to graduate or be part of a student body. That’s a bridge too far.

To be elite these days you almost have to run a semi pro team and there are very few programs who can or want to do that.

We just need a couple of skill players and maybe a new coordinator to get us over the top. If Kelly can't make that happen soon, then I'd consider moving on from him. We can win a NC, but the odds of us developing a dynasty like Bama or even Clemson are extremely slim.

Kelly isn’t my fave but who would do better? The guy did win 12 games. Yet he’s never competitive when it counts.

Frustrating no mans land between the top and mediocrity, with reminders like Saturday of just how far away we still are.

The performance against Clemson was discouraging for sure. I'm hopeful though.

Lazyingham shitter. Just can’t seem to take the next step though.

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who also shit the bed regularly in anything like a big game? At least recently he’s won the ones he should win.

The team and program has improved..This failure in the first CFP for the Irish,shows Kelly and Long are not effective...in the big game... horrible game plan..

That effort was pathetic.

Georgia on the road will be the big test going forward....

Than keeping him around at this point.

I just don’t expect him to get us beyond where we are now.

You make a lot of good points. We all need to realize that right now there are only 3 teams capable of winning a NC...Bama, Clemson, and OSU. Unless something drastic happens nothing is going to change in the foreseeable future.

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We'll see come 8:45. I do think ND and OSU are pretty close, depending on which Buckeye team shows up. No excuse for them to lose to Purdue like they did.

They are behind UGA right now.

e been frustrating but well received.

Instead of just accepting another embarrassing beat down.