The NCAA ruled that Georgia QB transfer Justin Fields is eligible to play immediately at OSU.

Author: Irishize (45 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 5:17 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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An good explanation of the "rules" ...

Author: Dinglewood (336 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:03 pm on Feb 9, 2019

In the words of the NCAA to the transferee ... "Waiver: An action that sets aside an NCAA rule because a specific, extraordinary circumstance prevents you from meeting the rule. An NCAA school may file a waiver on your behalf; you cannot file a waiver for yourself. The school does not administer the waiver, the conference office or NCAA does." Aside: never read who filed the waiver here.

The link at the bottom, the best article I've read on the subject, explains this the context of the whole process.

Personally agree with the direction of most of the comments. This rule gives the NCAA the "legal" right ( in principle a power granted by the member schools) to do whatever with any specific situation and not have to publish a rationale to explain/justify the decision. As a result there are no records creating precedents or for public review.

As it doesn't seem like there is a meaningful way to "appeal" (not relevant here) the decision this ends up like the US Supreme Court turning down an appeal (although they publish the vote) without comment. As a result there could be some really good reason (doubtful though) that only the folks who made the decision would know for sure. Also possible a case might be well or poorly argued ... again no way to tell.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/5/9/17311748/ncaa-transfer-rules-change-guide-list-sit-out


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Urban is gone. I don't care if this guy is there or not, Urban was the specialness, and that's gone

Author: tky21 (350 Posts - Joined: May 13, 2010)

Posted at 9:29 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Horrible person, yes, but incredible, incredible coach. Maybe better than Saban. And he could pull the very best talent from all over the country. This new guy might be good, but he is no Meyer, period. And OSU won't be the same program without him.

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I suspect USC operatives already have contacted Urban.

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (8592 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:01 am on Feb 9, 2019

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Those ...bastards!

Author: TakethetrainKnute (15811 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:55 am on Feb 11, 2019

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Why wouldn't they?

Author: Jerseymick (3355 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:17 pm on Feb 9, 2019

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Re: The NCAA ruled that Georgia QB transfer Justin Fields is eligible to play immediately at OSU.

Author: NDSoxfan (4235 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:15 pm on Feb 8, 2019

What a joke the NCAA has become. How can anybody take them seriously anymore? A player transfers from the Naval Academy (a great academic insitution) to ND (a great academic institution) and has to sit out a year. Another player transfers from one football factory to another and is immediately eligible. In fact, that has happened twice in the last two years.

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Yeah, anyone not transferring to ND is immediately eligible.

Author: iairishcheeks (9338 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:20 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Per unwritten NCAA rules.

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Whiners

Author: whatsamataU (16292 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:33 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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It is hard to reconcile Gilman’s denial with Fields and Patterson, for example.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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The rules changed the year after Gillman transferred

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (2057 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:45 am on Feb 9, 2019

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But was announced before he made the decision to transfer.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:53 am on Feb 9, 2019

And it would have blocked him from directly going to the NFL after graduation if he'd stayed. The rules were changed on him after he committed to USNA, . . that's the point.

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More specifically, the NCAA transfer rules

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (2057 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:44 pm on Feb 9, 2019

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No. I’m talking about the USNA rules.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 3:25 pm on Feb 9, 2019

When Gilman went to Navy, a rule was in place to allow him to defer active service after graduation for a chance to go into the NFL. While at Navy, the rule was changed and it blocked his path to a potential NFL shot.

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perhaps he shouldn’t have gone to the Naval Academy if he wanted

Author: WoodstockIrish (9641 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:10 am on Feb 10, 2019

To play NFL football?

No sympathy for him. He committed to the US Navy and he changed his mind. Suck it up buttercup


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Who is asking for your sympathy? No one cares about that.

Author: Rocket91 (5100 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Feb 11, 2019

This is about the NCAA, buttercup.

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I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse or just ignorant

Author: D2 (5823 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:38 pm on Feb 10, 2019

I'll chalk up ignorance because it is more polite.

First, any person attending the Naval academy only commits to a Navy career at the end of year 2. Anyone can leave before that date and have no commitment to future military careers. A quick google indicates that roughly 20% do for various reasons. So knocking Gilman for leaving prior to year 2 is just stupid. Lots of people do it. It doesn't matter the reason.

Second, the Navy, AFTER GILMAN BEGAN ATTENDING, changed their rules about when grads could play pro football. Old rules, you can play pro football right away, new rules serve for 5 years first..which in this day and age essentially eliminates a pro football career. For example, under the OLD rules, Gilman could have played in the NFL immediately and fulfilled his military commitment in alternative ways. For example, Keenan Reynolds (graduated 2016), upon graduation, was able to play in the NFL (and still is) and serve in the Naval Reserve or in other ways to fulfill his 5 year commitment. If Gilman discovered after one year at Navy that he didn't see his future in the navy and that may have been because he loved football more, he isn't any different that 20% of his fellow classmates who decide that their future isn't in the Navy.

As for the total hypocrisy of the NCAA, it has essentially okayed players to change schools for a variety of goofy reasons (many of which are directly related to impacting a kid's pro prospects) without "penalty" like the school going on probation, a coach leaving, one idiot (who was thrown out of the school) yelling a slur from the stands, etc etc, is okay while a school changing it's rules (after the fact) directly affecting a future career choice is not okay.

How is Gilman's desires for his future any different than Josh Fields or Shea Patterson (among others) whose sole and only reasons for transferring were football related?


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That's ridiculous.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:41 am on Feb 10, 2019

Gilman went to Navy, probably the highest profile program he could go to, with a dream of a chance to play in the NFL. When he committed and started, a rule was in place that would allow him to defer service after graduation to pursue a professional football career. After he was there playing, they changed the rules on him . . . literally blocking any path he had to the NFL. The kid shouldn't have to "suck it up" and give up on his dream. There is nothing wrong with him transferring. And I don't think any ND fan would even have a problem with him having to sit out a year except for the fact that so many other transfers get the waiver with a less compelling claim.

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You don’t go to the Naval Academy “because you have a dream of playing in

Author: WoodstockIrish (9641 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 pm on Feb 10, 2019

the NFL someday. If Gilman wasn’t at ND you wouldn’t give a shit. It is a HUGE commitment going to the USNA and the day you sign that commitment you are acknowledging you will serve in the military. That is the part you don’t take lightly; not some so called dream of playing in the NFL. He won’t play anyway so who cares?

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Who are you to tell anyone where to go or what to dream?

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 12:36 pm on Feb 10, 2019

Who goes to the Naval Academy with a dream of playing in the NFL? Joe Cardona. And Alohi Gilman.

No kid should have to "suck it up" and stay at an institution he doesn't want to be at any longer. I don't begrudge any kid transferring for any reason. That's true of Gilman, Fields, Martell . . . anybody. It is absolutely stupid to argue that a kid who made a decision as a HS SR about where to further his education is somehow obliged to "suck it up" and stick with it even if he wants to go somewhere else. There is nothing wrong with any kid transferring to another school.

The issue isn't whether Gilman should or shouldn't have transferred. The issue I raise is that Gilman had as good a claim for a waiver as anyone, but he didn't get it. Seems wrong to me. When Gilman went to Navy, it was likely his best shot at the NFL. And the rules at the time gave him that opportunity. They changed the rules on him. (And so there is no confusion, it wasn't that he wouldn't have to fulfill his service commitment -- it was that he could have the service commitment deferred to take that NFL opportunity.) I honestly don't see how that is a less good reason than that of Fields or Patterson, etc. I don't have a problem with Fields or Patterson getting a waiver. Good for them. I just can't reconcile it with Gilman. I think Gilman got the short end. That's all. You don't think Gilman will play at the next level? So what? He thinks he can, and there is nothing wrong with him pursuing that dream. Just like so many other kids in college football.



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Have you ever read Woodstock's posts?

Author: Frankie V (6756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:32 am on Feb 11, 2019

This is just par for the course.

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You are right.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 6:59 pm on Feb 12, 2019

He is one of a few on the board who seem to view themselves as “anti-homerism warriors.” Occasionally it is useful, and sometimes they are right. But too often they just aggressively push negativity, like this time . . . which is just pathetic.

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Ineresting

Author: WoodstockIrish (9641 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:27 am on Feb 13, 2019

I dont see this as being negative. I served in the military and I know what it means to take an oath. I admit I was wrong about when the commitment actually starts. I was not aware of that, openly admit it, and was wrong in my argument

Doesnt change my view on making a commitment to serve in the military; it is not something to be taken lightly.

Odd too that just because you arent an ND homer then by definition you are negative. Find that quite amusing.

Appreciate your acknowledgement that there is a place on this board for folks who arent over the top homers. Amazing how many people have a "my way or the highway philosophy"

Plenty of folks on this board call others out, use crude language, use childish nicknames, etc


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God forbid

Author: WoodstockIrish (9641 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:00 am on Feb 11, 2019

someone have a differing opinion on your fucking blog right Frank?

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God forbid

Author: Frankie V (6756 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:26 pm on Feb 11, 2019

You ever have a positive outlook... on anything.

I don't understand why anyone would spend so much time on a forum when they seemingly find no joy in the subject matter.

Btw, watch your language. Thanks :)


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Sorry

Author: WoodstockIrish (9641 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:29 pm on Feb 11, 2019

I am sure you tell everyone else to watch their language too....of course

I wont waste my time but I guarantee you far more than 50% of my posts are of a positive nature......

I am a realist, and not a homer like so many on this board.

At the same time I readily admit to loving to be a contrarian.....cause there are so many over the top homers here I just love to give them shit


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The new normal is a good lie

Author: D2 (5823 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:16 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Why should our preeminent education organization be any different in supporting disingenuous spin/lies than our fine politicians?

NCAA is putting these kids in the positions of coming up with a good "lie" to justify instant eligibility. You would think they would want to encourage honesty but it is pretty clear between how they treat screw schools coming forward to admit issues versus those who fight tooth and nail to hide their malfeasance and get away with it.

I don't have a problem with Fields or any other kid having freedom to freely transfer. But anyone with a brain knows the real reason he transferred has nothing to do with some idiot (who got promptly thrown out of school) hurling shit at him as opposed to not being able to play because he stuck behind someone else. Gilman's reason for transferring isn't really any different than Fields: I want a chance to play in the pros.


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great post.

Author: oldirish (3740 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 11:34 pm on Feb 12, 2019

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Field’s statement basically admits his disingenuous “lie”

Author: CC72 (13747 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 8:40 pm on Feb 8, 2019

“Now that this matter is concluded, I would like to clarify some facts. I have no regrets about my time at UGA and have no hard feelings for the school or football program. My overall experience at UGA was fully consistent with UGA’s commitment to diversity and inclusion. My sister is a softball player at UGA. I am still close friends with many of my UGA teammates. A part of me will always be a Georgia Bulldogs fan.”

Link: https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Justin-Fields-Ohio-State-Buckeyes-football-eligibility-statement-128889886/

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It's just crazy why all these kids feel the need to issue a statement all the time.

Author: oldirish (3740 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 11:36 pm on Feb 12, 2019

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Really good post!

Author: Frankx (56 Posts - Joined: Aug 22, 2017)

Posted at 6:32 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Gilman’s reason was different.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 6:22 pm on Feb 8, 2019

The USNA changed the rules on him after the fact. He had a legit claim, . . more legit than just not winning the starting job. I agree with you that I don’t mind kids getting more transfer flexibility.

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It’s a shame we didn’t recruit him harder in the beginning.

Author: whatsamataU (16292 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:00 am on Feb 9, 2019

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He was a completely unheralded recruit who had no interest from any major programs.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 11:55 am on Feb 9, 2019

Many on this board would have lost their shit if ND had recruited him out of HS.

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Real end goal was basically the same

Author: D2 (5823 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:40 pm on Feb 8, 2019

Fields was stuck behind another player. Gilman was trapped by the change in rules. Both want a chance to play in the pros. Their existing school situations limited that.

But Gilman in fact had a more "legitimate" reason to transfer than Fields did. The negative impact of Gilman staying was much greater than Fields staying since Fields likely would have gotten a chance to play while Gilman's chance to play pro football would have been severely impacted by having to wait for 3-5 years (not sure the commitment level) to do that.

I guess it is okay with the NCAA to accept a superficial lie and also okay for the Navy to change it's rules after the fact.


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End goal, yes. Agree.

Author: Napoleon (2636 Posts - Joined: Apr 23, 2015)

Posted at 7:31 pm on Feb 8, 2019

I’ll put it this way: same bottom line motivation, but different reasons. Fields chose to go to a place where a 5* QB was already on the roster. Nothing changed . . . he just didn’t win the job. The Academy literally changed the rules on Gilman after he showed up. I don’t mind either kid getting to play immediately, but I simply can’t reconcile that Fields was allowed to play immediately and Gilman wasn’t. There is no way I can see that as equitable.

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Gilman is an honorable man. Fields is a liar who took advantage of a corrupt system.

Author: D2 (5823 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:36 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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It was in no way equitable

Author: CC72 (13747 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 8:37 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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NCAA willing to accept lies benefiting tOSU- they should just eliminate all transfer restrictions

Author: CC72 (13747 Posts - Joined: Sep 5, 2010)

Posted at 6:57 pm on Feb 8, 2019

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Better yet, the power 5 conferences need to overthrow the NCAA, or just bolt

Author: cubsfanin16 (651 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 9:54 pm on Feb 8, 2019

its a needless, corrupt, inefficient, incompetent organization, that has less cred with the general public than Congress..

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Agree....but...

Author: nc4theirish (387 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:18 pm on Feb 9, 2019

How can I get a job with the nCAA? Apparently you can be completely incompetent with little to no common sense or ability to reason yet still stay employed...kinda like Nancy Pelosi.

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One of the worst ran organizations Ive ever seen..IM a retired investigator

Author: cubsfanin16 (651 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 5:16 pm on Feb 9, 2019

by trade...Ive oft thought it must be nice to be a NCAA investigator....seems like no time constraints, unlimited checkbook, ,and a no one cares attitude if conclusions are erroneous..

As for Pelosi, how she continues in that post as Speaker of the House is mind boggling, lady cant even talk...Just whispers, barely audible, (no wall money), no discourse, ideas, opinions, alternative plans etc etc..How she survived that torching of the DEM party in 11/16 is beyond my comprehension..