Kelly Report Card
Program building-B
Recruiting-B
Leadership-C Improvement shown on temperament. Team lacks preparedness in big road and neutral sites games.
Staff-B made some great hires and very poor ones. Current DC is a home run and is possibly being wasted. Current OL coach is poor.
Creativity-C. Stuck in spread concept therefore has not developed power football-a staple of the ND brand.
Adjustments-C Game adjustments have been a weak spot. Personnel adjustments; both coaching and player have been too slow in many instances.
Overall-C plus.
Conclusion: ND needs a special coach. It has always been that way. There are only a few out there. As long as Kelly stays, ND will be a solid team most years. Threaten for the play-off occasionally, but will not win the National Championship.
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Overall = C-
I only disagree with Recruiting, that is one thing he has done really well, at least an A or A-.
Re: Kelly Report Card
I give him a B-/C+ overall, but his penchant for recruiting as if he were still coaching GVSU at times to close a class especially early in his career is probably my biggest issue. Another problem is his persistent issue of asinine play calling in the red zone and in-game adjustments.
Overall B-
This team just has too big of letdowns in huge situations. They should have won that game, that 3rd quarter was atrocious and I blame coaching for a lot of it.
C
Recruits like Willingham
Calls plays like Weis
Defense fakes injuries
He sucks.
Name a coach whose school is north of Columbus who has a better record
OSU is really an SEC school.
Last I looked Ohio was a midwestern, big ten state. Borders one of the Great Lakes does it not?
How do you put it in the SEC?
Name a plausible replacement who has won more than Kelly.
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Where have I said he should be replaced?
He is what he is, decent/good, not great. I’m just not going to put lipstick on it. Interestingly though David Shaw has a better winning % although I would hardly call him an elite coach either. By the way is Palo Alto on a more northerly latitude than Columbus?
Ah, then you're just emoting. Carry on.
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I am? You are the one who came in out of the blue with the replacement question.
It’s not emoting to say the truth that the guy is a B level coach. Good, but not great. His record bears that out. And it wasn’t that hard to find a comparable at another big school which was your question. Do you think he’s an elite or great coach? He’s been here for ten years. What’s your take, swami?
I’ve been to Southern Ohio and it’s prime redneck country y’all.
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Columbus is hardly a southern town. And, it’s in central O high O.
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Compared to Ann Arbor, Madison, and Evanston, Columbus seems a lot more like the SEC
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How so. I have frozen my ass off there many times. It’s a mid sized midwestern town. No more
Southern than Indy.
You are focusing on the wrong thing, the weather
In terms of actions, OSU acts like an SEC school. Meaning, they decided about 20 years ago to do what it takes to win, regardless of ethics. They operate just like an SEC school in that regard. Their fans have turned a blind eye to these actions, much like the SEC schools.
Uhm no, I’m focusing on geography to say they aren’t a southern, SEC school.
Do they use the same tactics, maybe. But Curley raised the geography issue and I’m pointing out that OSU is no less a midwestern school than the rest of the traditional B 10.
Again, I don't think the was his point entirety
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If you are saying his point was that OSU uses SEC like tactics, I’m not arguing that.
He went beyond there to calling the place an SEC school, and citing geography and culture. That isn’t the case.
I see it differently
A across the board
Winning national titles: F
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Being competitive in National Title games: F.
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Kelly is the best coach in the country
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What about the city?
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But take him out of the country and into an opponents stadium.....
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The athletic director was foolish to schedule Georgia, the epitome of corruption
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only because he is coaching ND
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Not so much in the city
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This is ridiculous
I love ND but we don't have a lot of self awareness sometimes. C??? Come on.
Program building - the program is in the best shape that it's been in 20 years. Maybe it's not where you want it to be, but Kelly has pushed and done what many before him couldn't. Get the school to invest a little money and change their ways... training table, strength and conditioning, significant investment in facilities, turf, improvements to the stadium and game day atmosphere. It's a school that is hesitant to change or invest money without a fight. I give him credit for that.
Recruiting - He has steadily improved the recruiting in his time at ND. Again, many of his teams have had the most depth and talent that we've had in 20 years. There are a ton of top tier kids that he can't even consider at ND because of academic issues and other red flags. He tried to take some shots on kids with those issues and it came back to bite him in the ass. So he has to shop down a different aisle, as he puts it. I'll give you the RB position and the QB's, for various reasons, haven't lived up their their recruiting hype.
Leadership - I'll give you a bit here as I think this has been his issue. He blamed others early in his time here. He's gotten better at taking responsibility when things don't go well. Not his strongest suit.
Creativity and in game adjustments - I think he looked in the mirror and was willing to be more creative with his approach to this team after the 4-8 debacle. Reach outside his inner circile. He's been stubborn on the offensive side with control, etc. The Defensive has consistently made progress throughout his tenure, with the exception of the end of the BVG run. As far as in game adjustments, he's done reasonably well at post halftime adjustments. I think they're improving on adjustments in real time with this current staff (see defense vs. Louisville)
I'm not trying to be a BK apologist. Lord knows he's made some mistakes during his tenure and I'm sure he'd love to go back and do some things different. But we have to face reality, this isn't an easy job and it's not a job that "top tier" coaches would like to take on. Why would they when they can go somewhere else and recruit whoever they want, in a recruiting hotbed and the school will spare no expense?
I just think people won't appreciate BK until he's gone. You can't look at what ND should be based on the last 100 years. The last 20 is the reality of today's college football.
He's at least a B+ coach for us.
I would say B. Above average but not excellent.
It would be nice if he would win a big game or one where he is an underdog once in a while.
He will though leave the program in much better shape than he got it.
Totally agree. At least a B. Needs to win big games. But not a C. Come on.
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True!
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This ^^^^^^
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Top 20 Nationally. ND winning pctg. is sub-standard.
Posted at 2:04 pm on Sep 23, 2019
B+ Nationally
C- By ND standards
No. B+/A-. Now, if you want to argue we need an A or A+, that’s fine, but can the KDS crap.
Personally, I think that we are one good OC and an RB (already committed) away from he success we all want.
If we are grading on the curve with his predecessors since Holtz... he gets an A
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grading on a curve is exactly what cemented us in this rut
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he’s in his 10th year.
When the fuck do we stop comparing him to his predecessors and against what his goal is?
Name a plausible replacement who has won more than Kelly.
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Re: Name a plausible replacement who has won more than Kelly.
Urban Meyer. At this point I am willing to sell my sole to take the next step and win a natty. Not a BK hater and I think since the 4-8 debacle he has made some great moves but the sample size is clear enough to see that the Irish are stuck just outside the top 5. Recruiting has been outstanding - can't wait to see Tyree and the stud WR next year. Is there any doubt with a loaded roster that Urban could win a natty here? I for one am tired of the narrative that has been established (and deserved) that the Irish cannot beat top 5 teams or win big bowl games. Whatever it takes!
Please link where I said he should be replaced.
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Ah, then you're just emoting. Carry on.
Your buds over in the treehouse have a list, do they not?
I believe they even have a little verse on it, something to the effect of "the purple-faced bumbler, I've got him on my list. And the apologetic partisans who sputter and retreat. They none of them'd be missed!"
You’re a weird dude.
And I have no idea.
Though I would take issue with your premise that someone needs to be proven.
Two undefeated and untied seasons is a pretty good record when you consider Ara and Lou both only
had one. Lou had difficult schedules but he also had the number 1 ranked recruiting classes four years in a row.
Kelly has had 0.
He’s only had 1 undefeated regular season
Except they weren’t undefeated and untied seasons. The playoff games count.
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What is that goal? To compete for nattys every year? Good luck with that.
Way too many better talented teams for that.
The thing about him that drives me nuts is how his teams play down to lesser competition and can’t control the LOS.
And it would be nice if he won a few big games. But if you are expecting a constant top 5 program, ain’t happenin in SB.
Do you really think ND present day can win a title every 10 years?
Or if we adjust for a few years for BK to adjust to the job, every 7/8 years?
Especially when Alabama and Clemson are going through historical runs?
I would like to believe that, but I don't think it is true.
They only way for that to happen right now is if we replaced the current staff
with Bill Belichick with Weis and Crennel as his coordinators.
So there is a .000001 percent chance
And the admins, BOT, alumni association....
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What? recruiting is an A or even an A+; time to get real.
RB's seem to be the only issue and that's more of a maybe.
I disagree, I think QB recruiting and development has been under average
in 10 years, it seems like every recruit has been some sort of project, the only good talents he has brought in has been Golson and Kizer, and he's had trouble developing them.
An elite QB can win games for you, look at Brady Quinn.
Development is the issue - he's had some decent college level QB's that he's failed.
So, he hasn't recruited the big names out there - not sure why but the real issue is in the development of QB's
Hopefully with Jurkovec things will get better not that I dislike Book, he just doesn't see the field all that well.
I would love to see him invest in a QB whisperer and actually develop one
because he hasn't
I would love to see him invest in a QB whisperer and actually develop one
because he hasn't
Re: I would love to see him invest in a QB whisperer and actually develop one
Hire Norm Chow
We had Sanford, who was supposed to be a QB whisperer
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Truth
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