for his arm strength and talent......just stop. Ian Book has more than enough talent to be a great college QB. There are kids out there with less arm strength and experience putting up huge numbers this year and leading their teams.
Everett Golson had as much physical ability as anyone who's ever played in South Bend and he was turned into the same indecisive, confused kid that we're seeing in Ian Book.
He was actually pretty good that year but the defense was abysmal and he needed to score almost every possession.
he was unbelievable early in the year. You're right, once everything was put on his shoulders he became indecisive and unsure.
nonsense. It must be similar to Van Gorders overly complex D that looked good on paper and terrible in reality. Maybe that's why those two get along?
Last year Book dropped back, scanned the field and took what was available. If it wasn't there he ran for 4-12 yards. This offseason it seemed they hammered pocket, pocket, pocket. Given, that's all they talked about with Book in the offseason articles.
So, you took a kid's natural strengths and taught him not to use it. Real smart. Real great. That's just stupid coaching!
The NFL did the same with Michael Vick and we saw that disaster. Not that Book is Vick, but when you try to force a player to be the one you want instead of the one you have, it never works. Now instead of 1, 2, 3 out or run. It's 1, 2, 3 freakout. It looks like total confusion going in between his instinct and his thinking.
We've seen this time and time again with Kelly. They really need to tell him to never touch the offense or QBs. He's just not good at either and hasn't done anything worth a damn at ND with either group to be able to claim that he still knows what he's doing in those areas.
Is a slightly above average, serviceable QB who can lead us to 11-1 this year
But will never play in the NFL
That is par for the course for ND QBs for quite some time
Let's not try to make him out to be more than he is....but 11-1 isnt shabby...we just have a weak schedule
but Kizer and Golson had elite CFB talent and the results were the same or worse. Point being, coaching matters and ND has not developed any QB since BK arrived, while other programs have taken less talented kids and had great success.
Kizer was though.
He was just small and fragile. Had a bazooka for an arm and could run really well.
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Said he had elite physical talent, which he did.
obvious being that he lost his job, transferred and was handed the job only to lose that too. It's not to knock a player. It's to knock the people that continually clammer for paper talent.
just go rewatch the Rice game from 2014. The kid threw a 70+ yard pass (in the air) for a TD, side arm, while being hit and falling to his left. That's elite arm talent.
How his career ended up doesn't change that.
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that terrible QB Wimbush, didn't he? Guessing you're the guy that always thinks the back-up is the best player on the team.
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a higher level “ so far”.
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Kizer was a low four-star, Golson was a three-star.
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behind 2 other guys who were probably never on ND’s recruiting radar.
USC..
BW's decision to go to a school that runs a pass first offense, like ND, showed a lack of self awareness. He's a bigger Tony Rice, not the next Tom Brady.
. . . extremely well. BW might have just been Wally Pipp'd.
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You are correct that the principle guy BW was competing with going into the season was injured. But it is the case that BW was named the stater, started the first game, and was declared the starter before the second game -- then he was a last minute pull due to injury.
wouldn't have been pulled after half a game. Just like when he was at ND bend it like you choose. He's just not a QB.
If BW had really won the job and it's true that he had an injury, it's likely they would have handed the reins back over since he has a ton more experience compared to a FR. BW's time at ND gave him much more big-game experience compared to most of the guys at UCF. The reality is, he was a stopgap because of experience until they found a QB.
BW was vying for the starting job when Mack got hurt. But BW then won the starting job in the summer. He played well in the first game. He wasn’t “pulled after half a game.” The first game was a blowout and the other QB, Gabriel, also played. BW was named the starter for the second game but was scratched at the last minute due to injury according to UCF’s coach. Gabriel took advantage of his chance and played great. Which is exactly why handing the reins back to BW didn’t make sense. Hence the Wally Pipp reference. You understand that Pipp was NOT nearly as good as Gehrig, right? Gabriel is the future. He is the “Gehrig” to Wimbush’s “Pipp.” It only makes sense to go with him. I’m not saying he didn’t overtake BW and deserve the job. He did. I’m not saying that BW is a better QB. I was just adding to the comment about BW that he was in fact the starter before injury, which is simply the truth. Why you go so far out of your way to dump on a good former ND kid is beyond me. I do agree with you that BW was a “stop gap.” Of course. He was a one-year player, certainly in case the younger guys weren’t quite there. Gabriel seems to have made that moot.
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end up with the same affliction.
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Bad all the transfers do. Something is very wrong at ND at the QB position
these QBs are just avg-slightly above average. Wimbush, Golson, Zaire, etc didn't do anything after leaving ND.
Still, it's on BK to coach em up and devise a system that works.
But I don't think he performed all that well. And he did lost the job at the end.
to have a great, QB centric, offense in college. Very few college QB's go on to play pro ball.
Point being, Golson had unreal arm talent and could run well too. He shoulda been BK's wet dream of a QB. He ended up an indecisive mess, just like Kizer, Zaire, Wimbush and now Book.