Tied for 12th in TDs.
Only has 2 picks --- there are only 10 other QBs with 2 or less in the top 25 by QB Rating.
He's thrown about 30 less balls than most leaders in yardage and is in realm of most in terms of yardage / yd per attempt.
He's taken about the same sacks or better than most of the top QBs.
**For all that he hasn't done** and he's been off this year, he's still performing relatively well when considering the metrics of production to judge by.
Oh and Brian Kelly is his coach which isn't something any of the other guys have to deal with.
Link: https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/table/passing/sort/passingTouchdow
Apologies, these stats don't tell the whole story. If we exclude New Mexico State and BGSU his stats are much worse.
798 yards / 4 TD / 2 INT
Against NMST and BGSU
621 yards / 10 TD / 0 INT
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And now if you can come up with the magic beans that will help him be good enough to be a qb on a national championship competitive team.
We all love him but he is what he is and he ain't that!
couldn't hold Lawrence's jockstrap.
A number of you guys just see and hear what you want to, not what is happening. Really that's the whole point of the post. And the same group of guys loves paper stats vs. production which is what we see and are looking at.
I shudder to think how many more points the ND offense would put up if we had Lawrence instead of Book.
I'm not down on Book but he is a classic game manager qb which is okay when playing the rather limp schedule we have had since he started but doesn't work when we play elite teams.
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People aren't hating on Book because they think he is nothing more than a game manager. He racks up lots of fine numbers against mediocre to wretched teams. Who cares?
Paper stats versus production? Production is beating the Clemsons in playoff games and that isn't going to happen with Book at QB. I grant we didn't lose to Clemson (or Georgia) just because Book is a game manager but he doesn't have the talent to lift his team into a win in those kinds of games. Like it or not, he is a limiter on the upside of this team.
No one faults Book because of that. We're just realistic and slightly depressed that he will likely be the starting qb next too and we face the same prospect for another year.
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I'm not suggesting that PJ is better than or will even be better than Book, but if he isn't "fixed" by then and isn't good enough to beat out Book by then (even with an alleged "open competition"), it is time for the next anointed one. Like many coaches, Kelly can fall in love with admirable players for sure (shining examples--- Joe Schmidt and Chris Finke) but there might be better alternatives. If Kelly were running Clemson/Alabama, Kelly Bryant/Jalen Hurts would still be starting qbs.
And we watch while multiple top 20 teams churn out qbs better than Book.
Kelly has yet to produce one qb that would be the best player on the offense. And he will never win a NC until he does that.
I took his point to be that Jurkovec was now "three years in" and therefore was unlikely to breakthough. Might have misunderstood it.
His best offensive players more often than not find the bench. I'm drawing a blank, but can't think of a name that would qualify to the question in the subject.
Claypool and Kmet are definitely better at their positions than Book is at his.
Gilman is probably the "best" player on defense. I like Okwara and Kareem but they seem to be more one trick ponies (speed rushers), particularly Kareem, at their best skills rather than more all around like Gilman.
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And we wonder why we arent elite?
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So don’t blame it all on the headset
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X suggests that Ian Book is a capable QB for a football team with elite aspirations. A transparent or illuminating football statistic is, therefore, one that suggests otherwise.
25th by the linked method. He’s 36th under the Total QBR calculation. He’s done a great job limiting INTs. That’s big. His completion percentage is down about 5% from last year, reflecting the “misses” many have commented on. The thing I really don’t like is not seeing a leap forward in the deep game, which I really hoped for this year. Maybe a little disappointing overall so far. But he’s a gamer. I don’t think he got enough credit for that winning TD drive Saturday. Clutch. I won’t be surprised to see him hit more of those open receivers moving forward. Note: Book is rated well ahead of Shea Patterson under both QB rating methods.
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quarterbacks since he’s been here, that is the one position he’s whiffed on consistently
They'd end up the same indecisive mess that every QB that has played under Kelly has.
Not to mention, there are 3* kids all over college football that are killing it, in the same system, year after year.
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Unfortunately when you really breakdown film it's the reads he doesn't see or sees but doesn't have the confidence to throw that kill him. The offense has a ton more production in it but the QB play is limiting it.
Hope he continues to improve
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When I first saw Book play...Spring of last year....I was very impressed with how he got the ball off very quickly and with confidence while throwing accurately. No hesitancy or delay. He was also quick with run opportunities and did not stay around to get sacked.
What I observe this season is he takes much longer to get his passes off and too often to covered receivers. I don't pretend to know what he is being asked to do, but he makes fewer...but does some...throws in rhythm and quickly. He seems to take too much time to observe and may be looking farther downfield...which we have been informed that the coaches want him to do. There is no question and stats bear it out that he is a bit less consistent in his completion %. The result is a seemingly less effective passing game.
I make no claim on knowing if this is a good or bad thing, but he certainly has not moved the offense as well this year for whatever reason. But for certain, the Irish seem to be a bit less effective in the passing game.
do it his way which has yet to seem natural to any QB at ND. He's ruined all of them to date. Not one survivor.
physical ability to be a great college QB.
I'd add that there are quite a few throws he does make that he doesn't seem confident making. Short arming throws, holding the ball a tick too long, etc.
He's turned into Everett Golson, without the cannon for an arm.
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He'll start the year next year, but will be replaced somewhere along the line because he's become a indecisive, deer in headlights mess.
Towards the end of 2021, Jurkovec will suffer the same fate.
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PJ has all the tools to run this system. The one thing that'll keep him from seeing the field......BK doesn't like his throwing motion. He pretty much destroyed Wimbush trying to get him to throw the ball with perfect mechanics, hope PJ doesn't suffer the same fate.
funny and wobbly ball. It's almost like he shot puts it. Reminds me of Philip Rivers. The other thing, and it's only scrimmage but the offense never seemed to have a rhythm under him.
because BK was trying to get him to "correct" his throwing motion. They've since given up on this (at least I think I heard they were and certainly hope they are) and he's back to his normal throwing motion. He has a slow and looped motion, but the ball is coming out normal again and he's got a spiral back.
He did look awful in the spring game, but there was a reason for the ducks.
after and b) has done if that way for 18-20 years.
I get it, but Bubba Watson is a hell of a golfer. Most of the time if coaches just left kids alone they'd probably be much better of than trying to do it "technically" correct.
You don't get high accolades and recognition if you can't play the game, regardless of "how" you do it.
Kids coming out of HS don't necessarily have good mechanics. It isn't just QBs. You teach technique at all positions. The issue is when do you pull the plug on trying to "change" a throwing motion?