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ND to announce soon that it will start fall semester in early August, and go straight through without a fall break, ending the semester before Thanksgiving. If true, this suggests football is a go.

Other schools are mulling a similar plan (Marquette and South Carolina are two that I know of).

that you immediately equate an August 10th start date with football returning....

The odds on football returing are somewhere between slim and none

They are starting two weeks early to accommodate the academic calendar....it has ZERO to do with football

ND put out a release a few moments ago. Classes to start the week of Aug 10, no fall break, semester done by Thanksgiving.

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I've posted earlier than unis are lobbying the Trump administration to exempt schools from lawsuits prior to opening. It's hard to believe ND found a method to not be liable without similar protection. Are they demanding students/fans sign waivers in order to attend classes, or games? How many other scheduled schools have confirmed they're bringing teams to games? The players come into contact with hundreds of other people in the course of a season. What assurances do the players/coaches/staff have that all other teams have done their due diligence? Sorry, but none of what ND is doing makes sense unless these, and other questions, are answered...

Probably someone on the board should suggest the idea to them.

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No breath is taken without legal counsel!

For some of us, it'd be nice to know. If I'm a parent co-signing on debt that I cannot get mitigated by bankruptcy, I'd really want to know what I'm getting myself and kid into...,

Institutions give you a place to come and learn. You are paying to go. So you chose it. If you get sick it's your fault. It was your choice and nothing that was forced on you. If you are afraid you're going to get sick. Stay at home. Don't pay, don't go.

If you go out in public at any point (in or out of Corona times) you are likely to pick up a virus and get sick. Germs exist. People need to get out of their overprotective bubbles. Death is a reality and certainty. Make the most of the days you have. Make good decisions and do what's best for you and those around you. Other than that. Stop worrying and let God decide.

That they're meeting all health standards? Is ND telling their fans it's on you if you get sick? Or, are they claiming all is well, nothing to worry about, we've got it covered? It's a huge difference between the two. Is ND being as straight as possible regarding the current conditions on their campus? I highly doubt many students, nor their loan co-signing parents, will opt to return if health measures aren't established and followed.

Frankly, I doubt ND is telling anyone that they're on their own if they get sick because there's no way we can keep you healthy in a pandemic. I'm not a health expert, so I'm not judging what's actually going on. But, if those that are knowledgeable are saying social distancing is a requirement, then how is ND, or any school, going to maintain that policy? And again, what's ND responsibility if someone does get critically sick, or dies?

look for someone to give them a free ride.

The point I would make to your upper notes is that it's a choice. The individual has to make it. If they choose to come they can't sue unless ND actually did something that was true neglect. Like fired all the janitors and didn't clean anything. Someone that chooses to go into a public place should know there is a probability they will get sick.

This is the same poor stance where guys get a concussion from playing football. You know the risk when you sign up. You choose to sign the contract and play knowing the risk. You can't just sue because something bad happens.

There is no way on earth ND will or should tell people they won't get sick or make any claims that insinuate such. There is no way they could possibly uphold or guarantee a claim like that. That's idiotic for anyone to even expect to receive that type guarantee and they should just stay home. Yes, social distancing is a good thing in situations like this. It can and does work but is not a guarantee. It just lowers the probabilities and people that just to participate even in a social distance setting have to understand the risk involved and they are making the choice, therefore they can't point the finger after because something bad happens.

It's a poor system we've designed. No longer do people have to assess risk. They just do whatever and sue their way out.

You're missing context. Unis are being sued because they're refusing to refund money for goods and services not being delivered. If I'm choosing to attend a uni because they say they'll have in person class, then I need to know they're not shutting down if someone gets ill. So what are they going to do to make sure they're going to fulfill their agreement with me? If I'm taking on tens of thousands in student loans that I cannot mitigate through bankruptcy, then it's on the university to tell me what they're going to do to allieviate the threat of closure. That's not on the students, that's on the institution. If a school lies, or doesn't tell us what they're doing, that's no longer on the student.

Further, you, nor I, have any idea what true neglect is. That's for the courts to decide. What if a football player becomes ill because he ran into a sick player, and contaminated the team? Shouldn't the school have anticipated that such a thing could occur? Did the uni show neglect exposing players to infection? If the symptoms are latent, then it's very well possible that an outbreak can occur months later. It's not the student's decision if the admins decide to play sports and violate established health protocols. That's a definite possibility of happening, so how can students be held culpable?

Again, where are the guarantees, or assurances, that the school is going to honor their bargains with students, faculty, and staff, that everything has been covered? I'm not seeing anything, not just from ND, but other schools, as well.

The point is that universities are asking the Trump administration to make them exempt from lawsuits. That underscores they cannot make their campuses safe from outbreak, no matter how many janitors they hire. If ND is going to reopen the campus, what have they done to make it safe, where other unis seemeingly cannot? They have to show what they're doing that other unis are not. So, where's the proof??

ND, and all unis, have the choice to reopen, go online, cancell sports, and all uni sponsored gatherings. Given all that's happening, it's probably the most prudent thing to do. Precedent has been set in that the Cal State System, the largest in America, isn't reopening in the fall. Just ain't safe. So why them, and not ND???


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First paragraph: Easy, solution. Institutions should issue a refund policy for the next school year as it relates to any shutdown related to COVID. But, we all know lawyers would make that unbelievably complicated. More so than it should be. It's cut and dry. Offer it. Accept it or don't come.

Second paragraph: this is the same flawed democratic thinking and fear-mongering that has littered the entire US and globe into holing up over what has proven to be nothing more than a run of the mill virus. There's entirely too much "What If" talk. "What if" I get hit by a bus on campus while jaywalking? Should my family sue? Life is full of accidents. We are making so much more out of this based on "What if" statistics. The ACTUAL statistics are not that scary at all. period. Do you realize 1 million people die annually from Tuberculosis? That was a real pandemic. We are talking about 327k global deaths as of today. There are 7.7B people in the world. 300k is nothing and Tuberculous is ANNUAL!!!!!

3rd paragraph: Your mother gave birth to you. You were born. Where was the guarantee that you would live past day 1, or your 5th birthday? Had you died before then should your parents have been able to sue? really??? Life is full of unknowns. America was built on no guarantees and the fact you are clamoring for a guarantee is unAmerican in and of itself.


4th paragraph: if they open they open. If you come you come at your on risk. See point 1.

last paragraph: Dude... California has had 3,300 deaths out of 39,500,000 people that's a death rate of 0.00835443%. REALLY? You've got to stop listening to Blue State leaders and turn off the TV. It's just not that bad. Yes. "What If"... "It could be" but facts are facts and they are not that bad. Granted it is sad and some people will have losses. I feel sorry for those people.

There are 1.25 MILLION auto accident deaths per year globally!!!!! Where is the pandemic screaming? Why are people allowed in cars? Shouldn't we shut down all roads? If a student dies in an auto accident going to school should the Uni be held responsible? They're holding class and without class, they wouldn't be in the car and wouldn't possibly die. Those are real statistics.


Link: https://www.google.com/search?q=california+total+death+covid&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS721US721&oq=california+

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Link: https://coronavirus.nd.edu/news/fr-jenkins-letter-to-faculty-on-reopening-campus/

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....they gave no indication of such news though they probably don’t want to say something until they are positive that they are going forward. I do know that Purdue plans on school this Fall, and they are in the same state.

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