I hope ND offers Clark Lea the HC job now for when Kelly retires w/ expectation that he stay on as
DC until then.
This is similar to what some other successful programs have done, and his familiarity with out program and the continuity his presence would bring would offset any transition he may have into the HC position.
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ND is no place to learn the ropes as a head coach. Let him get his feet wet at another school; if he shows promise, then hire him. It might be a decade from now.
I think it was Ara who said he’d been a head coach for 13(?) years and needed every one of them tomorrow we him for the Notre Dame job.
Kelly very well may have another 10 years coaching he s only 59
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It’s not the number of years at ND that ruins ones health. All the long term predecessors won NC’s
and were burned out.... No excuses this year right?
What if BK won the NC this year and hung up his whistle?
He'd be remembered favorably, he would have tied Rock for the most wins, and he would get his statue.
Come on down, Clark Lea!
Look, ND barely pays Kelly let alone a coordinator. ND needs to pay him or HE GONE!
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That's bullshit....always a myth that ND doesn't pay
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This is nonsense. Do you think Kelly is an idiot?
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In 2020 we Google for credibility. Please see link.
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Link: https://www.onefootdown.com/2020/5/20/21264873/notre-dame-salaries-mike-brey-brian-kelly-muffet-mcgraw-jack-swarbrick-2018-2019-compensation-irs
So, let me get this straight, you actually think that Brian Kelly's total compensation package had
him getting paid $200,000 LESS than Muffett.
There's a lot of things you should Google if you're actually naive enough to believe THAT...
That’s the only way they would keep him. Work for less than everyone on campus but get a title,
Head Coach”
ND barely pays Kelly? You do know that the University is NOT obligated to release salaries...
of coaches or admin, yes? I'll let you in on a little secret. Kelly's compensation package ranks in the top 5 of all of college football.
Not a secret....
Seems to be for you.
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Please refer to D2's post. Kelly's base compensation isn't his total compensation.
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Perhaps you should read the article you posted?
As noted in the article.
"As in past years, the accountants also noted that Kelly “is permitted to receive compensation from external sources with prior written approval from the university.” Since the university is not a party to those agreements —- for example, between Kelly and Under Armour — and the coach doesn’t provide any services to the university because of those agreements, they don’t have to be included in this document."
Kelly is easily in the top ten of all college head coaches re: what he earns as head coach at ND. Because ND is a private institution, it is doesn't have the reporting requirements that public institutions typically have. Therefore, the total sum of what Kelly makes is typically shrouded in mist and fog. While I don't know specifically what Kelly makes in total, I once learned (since this is my career field of professional expertise) what one of ND's head coaches was making and his reported salary was a fraction of his total compensation.
Rest assured that Kelly is not underpaid in relation to his peers. While coaching pay may have lagged at one time at ND, I pretty much know that in the last 15 years, pay is not a cause of coaching turnover at ND nor does it really limit the guys ND wants to hire at the assistant coaching level. It has already been published that ND offered Mike Elko 1.8M to be DC when A & M was after him. Do you think Kelly was making only 1.86M? when they offered nearly the same for his DC?
Do you have an idea of what the actual bottom line is for Kelly?
I know the University keeps that shrouded. I wouldn't even have a guess what Kelly actually gets.
No, but I would estimate that it's north of 5.5million a year.
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Good estimate. He just extended after three 10 or more win seasons. There is simply no way he could
...be making less or his agent would be sued for malpractice.
Where has the "HC in waiting" strategy every worked?
The only examples I can think of:
Muschamp/Mack Brown at Texas. Muschamp ended up leaving and taking the FL job and never became TX head coach. This proves that the HC in waiting title doesn't mean much.
Jimbo Fisher/Bobby Bowden at FSU: Jimbo won a NC after Bowden retired, but the last few Bowden years were not good. Naming a HC in waiting basically is a death knell to the current coach since it undermines him and his authority. I wouldn't want to sacrifice Kelly's last few years (especially with how well ND is currently playing) just to keep Lea.
You may be referring to Riley at OU and Day at OSU. Both were promoted from within, but neither were ever named HC in waiting. If Kelly unexpectedly retires after this year, then Lea should be considered for a promotion like they were, but it doesn't mean you name him HC in waiting.
Also, Kelly will likely be the HC for at least another 2-3 years. That's a long time for Lea to wait. He may no longer be the hot name his is now at that time.
OSU (Day), UM (Carr), Stanford (Shaw), Oklahoma (Riley)....off the top of my head.
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I don't think Riley was ever officially titled "HC in waiting" nor was Carr or Shaw.
Usually you're pretty on with your posts but I think you are ill-informed here. All in all, I think if you looked at the whole arena of guys who had been officially named "Head coach in waiting, " you'd find no consistent indicator that it worked at all to retain coaches or as an indicator of future success as a head coach.
Even the use of the title "Assistant (or Associate ) Head Coach" does not mean "you're the next head coach." It serves as a mechanism to pay someone more money as well as a little expansion of responsibilities. It's like being called a Vice President at a Bank.
As a matter of fact, Mike Elston's title is "Associate Head Coach." but there is little chance he would replace Kelly if he left at the end of the year. And if Kelly couldn't coach on a given day, I suspect Bill Polian would be the substitute head coach.
Re: David Shaw's promotion from the Mercury News
"Bowlsby picked Shaw over a group of finalists that included associate head coach Greg Roman and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio.
The difference was Shaw’s unique combination of attributes: As Stanford’s offensive coordinator the past four years, he provides continuity for the program at a time of unprecedented momentum; as a popular former Stanford player, he brings a deep passion for the school and an understanding of its academic and athletic missions."
As to Riley, there were two other coaches titled Assistant Head Coach and Associate Head Coach. As I remember, there was general surprise in college football when Riley was named Head Coach.
Shaw was never a HC in wating
He and several others interviewed for the job after Harbaugh left. There was no agreement that he would be made HC the moment Harbaugh left.
I believe Riley was recommended by Stoops, but there was no contractual obligations to make him HC the moment Stoops left.
You are correct on Day, but Meyer knew what season would be his last, and he was only HC in waiting for 1 season. Kelly is under contract through 2024.
Agree, I never bought into theory that an assistant needs HC experience before taking over..
The examples you sight strongly affirm this.
It's working with Ryan Day at OSU.
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Day was never the HC-in-waiting. Meyer retired and he got promoted. Kelly hasn't retired yet.
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Actually, he was in waiting - that's why they brought him in at Meyer's suggestion.
It's called succession planning, and it's smart.
Kelly just signed a contract extension through 2024
Therefore, the earliest Swarbrick could lock in Lea is 2025. That is a lifetime in CFB. I'd agree if we knew this year or next year was going to be his last (as Meyer knew at tOSU), but by all accounts Kelly isn't leaving that soon.
OK, but Day was never a head coach before, and he took over a mega-football factory successfully.
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Remember Bob Davie....
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Just don't think you can learn O.T.J. at Notre Dame.
You have to have been a successful H.C. with some major program experience to step in and win big.
Very possible, but Davie was just terrible regardless
I do not think any amount of experience would have made him a head coach. The Willingham & Weis disasters have made may forget just how bad he was.
Proven by Faust, Davie, Weis. It is too risky given the history and exposure of the job...
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Knute Rockne was never a HC before he took over the ND program. They made a movie about him.
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Agree.
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That was my thought as well.
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Remember Tyrone Willingham.....
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Sure? Your point? He wasn't a top tier coach...and lost to Davie every other year....
I never advocated his hiring.
Funny story about Willingham (sort of)...
Business colleague of mine hated Notre Dame, and when ND fired Willingham, he said Notre Dame fired him because ND was racist. Total dick move on his part, riding me hard about having gone to a racist school at a business happy hour in front of other colleagues.
I had the last laugh, though. He was a University of Washington grad and fan.
He was a near .500 head coach. Never was a good hire.
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Verry tempting...I'd like to see how he performs under the "Klieg Lights" just a bit. Being ND's HC
is a lot more that Xs and Os. Right now, I'm hoping he can be convinced to stay with $$ and the 'inside track' on "Next Man In" for the HC position.
Totally disagree, I hate that "coach in waiting nonsense", and
I have no idea if Clark Lea is head coach material, success at DC means nothing And, ND has been down that road, see Bob Davie Id much prefer a candidate with proven success at the head coach level..BK could be still at ND 5 years or more, his current contract has 4 years left at a minimum THat's way too long for a "coach in waiting" even if I agreed to that principle..
Just pay Lea top dollar for a DC And if he does leave, for HC, You'll have a much better idea if he's the one to succeed BK...
I agree with this.
He can spend the next few years learning under Kelly by being given more responsibility. Increase his role a little each year and in the final year make him Associate Head Coach or something like that. He's smart enough to figure it out. And the program has a much better foundation than it did when hiring Davie, Willingham or Weis. Seems pretty low risk.
Tough job for anyone with no previous FBS head coaching experience
I wouldn’ mind if ND made him the highest paid DC,
Who else will know the specifics of the ND HC better?
The HC's coming from outside have a steeper learning curve (Kelly did). Notre Dame has very specific requirements.
I also forgot to mention the continuity in recruiting btw - yet another advantage.
Negative, but, pay him what the other elite DCs are earning. Make it a priority.
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