I'm all in on Buchner. Here's why.
An article in yesterday's San Diego Union-Tribune mentioned this about Buchner: he had offers from Alabama, Georgia, USC, etc; he was ranked as the #39 player in the country by one service; and had this quote from Tommy Rees: " It has been a 3 1/2 year recruiting recruiting process. And I'm through the roof we will finally get him on campus."
Buchner should be groomed as our new starter in the spring. If he doesn't live up to expectations, then Coan is the guy.
However, the reports on Coan say that he can't throw the long ball.We have to do that. Buchner can do that.
We will have a fleet of fast receivers and we must use them. We must use the middle of the field in the passing game. It's not illegal.
Rees is juiced and pumped about Buchner's arrival. He said that when he saw him throw at a camp held at ND, that he was the one that he wanted. He's been all in ever since.
We should be, too!
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One big challenge. He's a QB and Kelly will still stick his finger in the middle of it. It rarely
turns out well.
I do hope I am wrong!!!!!
Went to see him play, lights out arm & very fast. 1 year HS starter tho, last game Nov 2019.
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Coan will start. I think he will be better than Book. I'd like a limited RPO and Zone Read package
for Buchner. Something to utilize his athleticism, make the other team plan and prepare for it. A couple trick plays for big plays in the games we need it. He's a heck of an athlete and he's on campus with Balis so he should be good by September. I'm sure he can learn a lot from Coan and my guess is Coan could teach him a lot and not feel threatened by him. Coan has been a very successful QB and a great leader on his team who's played well in big games.
That would be the best chance to get back to the playoffs this coming year and the best development for Buchner to be very comfortable taking all the reins next year.
And as a postscript, let me say I am grateful we had Book...mean him no disrespect. But we would
have been better off against Clemson II or Alabama with Coan. The good teams could make Book a pocket QB and he was not near good enough as a pocket QB for us to be competitive against them. He was only good enough as a schoolyard QB. Coan would probably invite more unbridled pressure but would be very cool and calm and would execute under that pressure and would make them pay from time to time with functional speed and athleticism. If he can get into sync with our playmakers at WR, we are going to have a very good season.
Coan uses the middle of the field a lot based on the videos I've seen
He doesn't throw deep much, but isn't afraid to use the middle of the field on intermediate throws.
At 6’3”, I believe he is taller than any ND QB since Rees. Maybe he can see over the OL
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He reminds me of a taller Rees (didn't check Rees height). Not very mobile, weak arm, pretty good.
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Coan will be the starter vs FSU
and probably most of the season depending of how it rolls. It is exceedingly rare to see true freshman qbs in college. You never know how kids evolve from high school to college. The college football landscape is littered with high school stars who had difficulty making the transition. Remember Blake Barrett? We will see how Buchner develops and how fast he does. Kelly isn't exactly a rock star when it comes to developing stud qbs, hence we have Book.
The narrative that Coan has a weak arm is pretty much inane. He will be a far more effective qb that Book (who also doesn't have much of an arm) because he knows how to pass, a skill that Book never mastered.
Two problems from that article.
1. He played D-II in CA. He transferred to Helix to play with the big boys.
2. His senior year at Helix was cancelled.
He had some great numbers in HS, but against weak competition. I highly doubt Kelly will trot him out at Florida State in a few months.
Played against some big schools, but only in playoffs. Faster than Phil and throws spirals was my
takeaway then.
Link: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/high-school-preps/story/2019-11-26/bishops-battling-the-
It would be good to have a competition but I think Coan will win based on experience
If Buchner shows he can handle it, better give him a lot of quality playing time. I know this is not Kelly’s style but he and Rees better change. If he is as good as everyone hopes he could win the job and make Coan the backup the rest of the way. I’m not in favor of a 2 quarterback situation but hopefully by mid season they could have a 1 and 1A.
I am worried about the OL but if they develop the offense should be OK. Plus right now the schedule does not look real tough.
He needs to play next year.
Kelly would be insane to start him against Ohio State in 2022 with no experience.
The schedule isn't that easy, as I wrote below October will be a bear. There are plenty of opportunities to blow weaker teams out and play him though.
Buchner is a special talent during a special era @ND, Gonna be another great 4 years
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Needs? In what way, please elaborate on your statement.
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He will never respond to questions regarding his posts. Only posts in support of Kelly homers
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Dumb Ass doing that on ND message board! Who does
he think he is?
SYCHOPANT!
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Re: I'm all in on Buchner. Here's why.
I'd like to believe that Buchner is the answer : #65 Recruit 4474 yds passing - 53 TDs; 1610yds rushing -28 TDs Runner-up in State Championship.
However, haven't we seen this play before?
Phil Jurkovec: #83 Recruit 3969 yds passing - 39 TDs ; 1211 yds rushing -24 TDs Pa. State Champ in their highest classification.
I drank the Kool-aid in 2018 going to take a more measured approach with Buchner.
and I know how Kelly recruits QBs now, if he has to battle UGA, Clemson, Bama, USC, OSU
for a QB, he doesn’t bother and move on, too much work
Jurkovec was recruited by Alabama, OSU, and Clemson. Pyne was offered by 'Bama and Oklahoma.
Barnett went back-and-forth between ND and Bama, committing to ND then switching to the Tide. Wimbush was offered by Alabama, Ohio State, and Penn State (many thought he'd land at PSU). Zaire and Kizer were both offered by Alabama. Zaire was recruited and offered by Ohio State, and I recall he his recruitment came down to OSU and ND.
Link: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2016/05/70686/ohio-states-top-2018-quarterback-target-five-star-phil-jurkovec-commits-to-notre-dame
in 2018, Bama, OSU and Clemson were trying to get Trevor Lawrence, and last year they were going
after Bryce Young and DJ Uiagalelei, they weren't battling for Jurkovec and Pyne, they were the leftovers
Programs tend to go after multiple targets.
Even Alabama doesn't get everyone they want. Did Alabama and Clemson both want Lawrence? Yes. But both had other plans in case the other got him. Was OSU involved with Lawrence? Not to my knowledge. Did you read the link in my comment? According to an OSU site, Jurkovec was OSU's top QB target. Is that accurate? I don't know. But OSU did recruit him. According to the link below, 247 Crystal Ball actually projected Jurkovec to OSU (66% for the Buckeyes). I think you are just pulling stuff out of the air.
Alabama's NC QB this year, Mac Jones, by the way, was a 3* recruit -- for whatever that is worth.
It is simply false to say ND doesn't go after QBs who have interest from "UGA, Clemson, Bama, OSU, USC . . . ." And a little weird.
Link: https://247sports.com/Player/Phil-Jurkovec-86287/high-school-155850/
The problem is why didn't Kelly end up with Fields or Lawrence that year?
it's a pattern, he doesn't even recruit an elite QB and settles for recruiting Jurkovecs, Pynes, and Buchners.
Lawrence and Fields were #1 and #2 overall regardless of position.
That ND got neither doesn’t show “a pattern.” Clemson got Lawrence. Georgia got Fields. ND got a much higher rated QB than either OSU or Alabama that year (Bama got a 3* who was ranked outside the top 100 QBs).
Link: https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=highschool
As were many by Bama.
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FWiW...I think Clark is a better fit for ND's offense than Pyne (unsure about Clark's injury)
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Same here. But admittedly haven't seen Clark really play at all.
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here's my concern...Covid and an injury have limited him to just a handful of games. Not saying he
won't be great, but he doesn't have much game expeience.
It's a great situation if Kelly decides to make it so.
If Buchner starts, you have what should be a very good backup. If Coan starts, get Buchner LOTS of playing time.
If I remember correctly, Buchner didn't have a SR season.
Right? He hasn't played HS football since his JR year. I think it is asking a lot for him to come in and be #1 out of the gate. I think Coan is likely going to be that guy -- and if Coan gets beat out before game 1, my money would be on Pyne. I think Pyne gets lost in the shuffle. Not saying Buchner can't win the job along the way, even during his first season. But even Lawrence didn't start from game one at Clemson. Buchner may be the guy in 2022, and might end up being a great Irish QB, but I will be surprised if he wins the job in 2021.
Correct, and didn't start at QB until his Jr year.
The guy has played QB one season of organized football in his life. Great prospect, but won't be ready in 2021.
We can run the table in 2021. Time is of the essence.
If we want to have a shot at a NC, 2021 is the year. In 2022 and 2023, we have both OSU and Clemson on our schedule.
Coan could run the table in 2021, but he couldn't win a playoff game. The same with Pyne. He is Book 2.0.
Buchner is a true dual threat who has the whole package, enough to compete in the CFP.
We can play it safe or go for the gold.
You don't know any of that, though.
You don't know that Buchner will be able, as a true freshman, to "compete" in the CFP better than Coan or Pyne. Also, losing a couple of early games because of an inexperienced QB can stop your CFP hopes in its tracks. Second, if Buchner is "the real deal," and will be the guy who takes ND to the next level and will be able to compete in the CFP better than others . . . why don't we think he could, as a sophomore, handle OSU and Clemson? Respectfully, I think you are projecting the highest possible upside for Buchner, and just assuming he will be ready for the job from day one -- which is fairly unusual for a true freshman even when they had a SR season in HS. Again, Lawrence (who was considered a phenom) didn't even start day 1. I like Buchner, so don't get me wrong. But the idea that he'll be a game 1 starter, will be great as a frosh, and will be CFP competitive is nothing more than a guess or a hope. There is also the matter of ND needing to do a significant rebuild of the OL, and adjusting to a new DC (with some rebuild on that side of the ball too). Doesn't sound like a great spot to put all chips on a true freshman who hasn't even played HS football since 2018. Just my honest take.
I understand your point, but it's worth taking the risk.
If we don't want to remain a laughingstock when it comes to playoff games, we've got to shake things up.
Also, if Buchner gets established in 2021, we'll be much better prepared to take on the tougher schedules of the two following years.
All I'll add to this: Buchner could get "experience" in 2021 without being the starter game 1.
That is in regard to the idea that experience will make him better in 2022. Agree with that. And if he is the future at QB for ND, I hope he gets meaningful game time in 2021.
This was considered a down year for elite QB prospects
The Rivals five stars were Vandagriff and Huard. Question should be why Kelly can’t land one of those 2
Can he flip Quinn Ewers?
I'd rather see him flip CJ Hicks.
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Good luck trying to flip this kid - his best opportunity to win a Heisman/NC is with the BuckNuts...
I'm sorry to say!
That's true. BUT Freeman has a local connection here.
And our recent history of Butkus award winners is impressive. It's worth at least a call.