Do you think Pyne triggers in Rees self-loathing? Rees/Crist = Pyne/Buchner
Or at least there are some parallels that make you scratch your head.
Pyne a year ago and Pyne today seemed to be the better option, yet ... Buchner. If Buchner hadn't been hurt, would Rees have made the move to Pyne? Certainly seems like only begrudgingly.
Replies to: Do you think Pyne triggers in Rees self-loathing? Rees/Crist = Pyne/Buchner
Agreed. Rees seemingly is a carryover of all of Brian Kelly's QB faults. He's made the same mistakes
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Would Rees have adapted his play calling?
Posted at 10:27 am on Sep 30, 2022
Rees called a lot of run plays that were unsuccessful and seemed to continue to call those plays even while the defense was set up to stop the run first.
Buchner looked uncomfortable running RPOs, IMO.
He showed no tendency in that direction through the game when Buchner was hurt. Seems like no.
In fairness to Buchner, I also feel like Rees through his play calling was not putting him in a position to succeed. I think he's Crist like in that he's an athletic kid, but he has bona fide accuracy issues and does not move through progressions one iota, but Rees seemed to expect that it all would "click" at some point for Buchner.
I agree 100% with this. it was frustrating to watch.
Posted at 11:39 am on Sep 30, 2022
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The idea that Pyne is clear cut better than Buchner is silly
Pyne has had one solid performance against one of the worst defenses I've seen that was giving 7 yards of cushion to ND WR's.
Pyne's QB rating for two starts is 165.6, placing him 10th over the entire season last year
So far he's off to a very good start. Let's see if he can maintain it. I've always thought he was better than Buchner; now he has a chance to prove it.
I'm not touting Buchner as the be all, end all, but at this point we're comparing apples and oranges
Pyne is the qb because of injury, not because he won the job. Rees/Freeman picked Buchner because his skills sets are better overall all than Pyne. Rees/Freeman then slimmed down the offensive scheme when Pyne became the QB.
If Pyne had played OSU and Marshall, we don't know what that would have looked like.
If Buchner had played with same game plan at Pyne -- short, very low risk passing -- we don't know what that would have looked like.
If Buchner had played with the offensive oline performance that Pyne did, we don't know what that would have look like.
Agree, but haters gotta hate. Neither of them have particularly impressed me.
At best their ceiling is likely serviceable based on what I’ve seen. However, whichever one is the QB, is the guy I cheer for.
Lots of its and buts in that post
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Better??? Marshall lost to Troy and Bowling Green and our O turned around. Can you explain this?
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Pyne looks clearly better than Buchner
But then what do I know. Buchner has been injured more than he’s been healthy and really doesn’t have much of a track record. Glad to see Pyne playing.
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I don't see why it's silly. Both are average or less compared to other QBs in college football
this year. However both the stats and the eye test clearly show that Pyne is better. He is a better passer and a better game manager. Now you might say that Buchner played with an awful oline. That is true but a QB that can throw decently makes the Oline and the RBs better because defenses are more hesitant to stuff the box against a decent passer. Defenses when Buchner started just stuffed the box all day long and dared Buchner to throw. In short, a decent throwing QB makes the whole offense look better. That was not the case with Buchner.
I'm not confident that Pyne can win games vs excellent defenses but I'm even less confident that Buchner can. Who knows, maybe next year Buchner will have improved enough as a passer to have a chance to start, but if not, ND should stick with Pyne or Angeli or even better, a good portal QB.
The stats and the eye test aren't with equal variables
Doubt Pyne performs as well as Buchner did at OSU considering the amount of pressure that was put on him. Mostly the same against Marshall. OL appears to have made some big strides with some more confidence and Patterson healthy. Who knows what Buchner would do with an improved line.
I'm Pyne's biggest fan but just pointing out how silly this discussion is with this limited sample.
Check out the facts about how a passing QB can make an OL better. Nice!
Posted at 1:48 pm on Sep 30, 2022
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Objectively better? Who knows? Better for the ND offense given the talent and OC? Yes.
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Not enough data to make that conclusion
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His passing % is far superior
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Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes in college.You saying Bills should draft Pyne and replace him
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Re: Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes in college.You saying Bills should draft Pyne and replace him
Of course it is against one of the worst Defenses in the country
Please don’t tell me you’re comparing Buchner to Josh Allen
Buchner had several chances and showed very little. Other than that he has been injured both here and in high school. In my opinion, he’s a project.
No, I'm pointing out the absurdity of pointing to a better completion%
through 2 games as a pointing reason as to why Pyne is clearly better than Buchner.
The pros call it using an extreme to make a point.
Tell me you aren't comparing Pyne to Joe Montana?!?!?!?!?
Allen was a far superior runner and a big arm. Vast difference.
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Dat was da point boi
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undeniable fact
Posted at 11:53 am on Sep 30, 2022
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It’s 0-2 vs 2-0. Wins and losses do matter.
Posted at 10:37 am on Sep 30, 2022
tOSU is the best team we have faced and we were actually winning in the third quarter while looking rather pathetic on offense. A different gameplan with either Buchner or Pyne beats tOSU.
Mighty mid major Marshall has lost 2 games since knocking off Buchner-led ND.
Pyne has led the offense against 2 power 5 teams and the team has won. The offense has looked different and better.
Rees seems to be more comfortable calling plays with a quarter back like Pyne. Regardless if anyone thinks Pyne is or isn’t better than Buchner, with Pyne in the offense is much more efficient at moving the ball.
Sample sizes and strength of opponent matter as well
I'm not saying he is or isn't better, don't really know. Not enough film on either . Dat was da point, boi.
Go check who Marshall lost to. Dat is a data point.
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App State scored 40 in a quarter against UNC. But that's not the point
I'm the biggest Pyne fan here, but if he struggles against BYU and we lose, you ninnies will be calling for the next guy.
Yeah Boi
Posted at 8:17 am on Oct 1, 2022
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No way they would have gone to Pyne over Buchner at least not this early in the season....
...Buchner was anointed the starter after 1 week into Fall camp so Rees obviously saw (in his mind) that Buchner was "da man."
Sadly he didn’t play like “da man”
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