Drew Pyne: Rivals 4-star recruit and 7th-ranked pro-style QB in 2020
I don't think some of you who are down (or at least not very enthusiastic) about Drew Pyne really know how highly regarded he was coming out of high school.
And as I've pointed out a few times, his QB rating for his first two starts is 165.6, which would have placed him 10th in the nation last year and is currently 23rd this year, when early-season results inflate some guys' numbers.
Almost every time he's played, he's delivered, with select exceptions (Marshall INT). But overall he's shown great promise. I'm not sure why some of you don't think he's capable.
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He's capable of getting us to top 10 contention
It's the same thing I said about Ian Book.
He has the skills and ability to get us to a top 10 finish. He can make short and some medium range throws decently with good pass protection, and has reasonably good mobility. Thus about 75% of the playbook is available with his being at the helm.
I have yet to see his true downfield passing abilities, though. Being able to run 75% of the playbook will beat the lesser teams, and occasionally let you beat the top teams, but to beat the top teams on a regular basis, you need to be able to run the whole playbook.
With ian Book at the helm, this was a recurring problem against teams like Georgia, Clemson, and Alabama. Short and medium range throws were the limit to what he could do, so they would squat in a medium zone, and with that kind of defensive talent, were able to shut down our offense.
It was even worse with Tommy Rees at the helm, where about 1/3rd of the playbook was available, since he couldn't make a medium range throw with any kind of zip or reliability. Teams simply squatted in a short zone, and took away the short passing game.
It's basically the same offensive system as it has been for the last dozen years, where to be optimally run, your QB has to be able to stretch the field vertically. Golson and Kizer were able to do that, but nobody else has proven that they can. Crist might have been able to, but Brian Kelly kept insisting on turning him into a dink 'n dunk QB.
Agreed. And the whole Buchner-Pyne debate had as an aspect of it the hope that Buchner's
arm strength and running abilities could allow him to be that QB that could have run "100% of the playbook". The thought was (probably correctly) that Pyne wouldn't have the ability to do so. Would Buchner have been able to do it given better blocking and running game and a better gameplan/playcalling? I don't know. I don't think anyone knows.
In the end, though, it doesn't matter because Tyler Buchner is out this year. All we have is Drew Pyne right now so we might as well stop making him out to be God's gift to QB'ing in an attempt to win a debate that no longer matters. Let's just pull for Drew Pyne and hope he plays to his abilities as a good quarterback so that we might have a decent year.
Book's deep-ball accuracy was admittedly abysmal
Pyne's? We don't exactly know yet.
On the other hand we saw Buchner last year could hit the deep ball but this year with little
protection he did not have time to throw the deep ball. I still say that Lenzy could have caught the one deep ball he threw and have seen so called great passers overthrow receivers much worse than the one was to Lenzy, if you consider that an overthrow. That said if Pyne wins out which I hope he does, strong consideration should be given to him being the starter at least going into spring and fall camps.
If you watch that play again
Lenzy gets grabbed by the safety as he's going by, not bad enough for PI to likely get called. But that little bit was enough to be fingertips vs in stride.
Pyne seems capable of leading ND to a playoff berth where ND gets boat raced by Alabama, et. al.
Not sure that he has Heisman finalist level talent to win it all.
Exactly. In the Ian Book mold but I don't think he quite has the athleticism of Book. But a winner.
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Reminds me of Montana, when Joe was a Sophomore
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Joe is 66. That’s about right.:)
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I gotta stop watching vintage Utube vids...
Of 70's ND football. Watching Da Irish beat the coolwhip outta SC back in 77 makes forget Joe is nearly 70!!!
He played like it against NC.
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First time he's really had a shot. He will be pleasant surprise
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Hope so, but the running threat really has to be there for him to be successful.
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Why do about 10 guys on this board not like Pyne? That's my question.
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I think “we” have used up our allotted amount of Pyne related posts.
Posted at 12:20 pm on Oct 1, 2022
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They can't stop needling him. Those guys are saps...
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Most, if not all of Irish Nation want Drew to succeed.
But when you try and force the issue with a barrage of pro- Drew Pyne threads and comments, shared by two contributors who most likely are the same person, you're going to get backlash. What you consider "do not like Pyne" is their opinion on the ND QB position. You "two" have an opinion, others have theirs. This has been going on since the Frank Budka days and even before that. I think Drew is the "victim" of flashy QBs around the nation who are really successful. Drew will never be that guy. He isn't the flashy highlight reel guy. He will need help in the running game, from his WRs, and the defense for success. He won't be able to do it all on his own IMHO.
all the more reason to have a QB that makes the TEAM better since few have THE flashy QB and there
Is only one NC
Your kind of proving my point
I have not once definitively said he will be a great, or even a good quarterback. What I've consistently said is he's shown signs of having the vision, accuracy and ability to play at a high level. Whether he does fairly consistently remains to be seen, and I've urged his naysayers to give it time to see what happens.
But you said outright he will need plenty of help from others for him to succeed. Well, I would think this applies to all QBs, but inferring what you said in context, why can't he be the guy who puts up big numbers and take over a game? You might be right, he might not be able to. But as I've also consistently said, let's just wait and see.
Not sure about the vision. On the interception he threw in the Marshall game Tyree was open on the
same sideline side as the interception took place. A pass there and Tyree might have been able to beat the defender who made interception one on one. No excuse that it was his first pass. If you remember Rees came in cold for Golson in the Oklahoma in 2012 game after Golson had the wind knocked out of him and completed a pass on a well covered receiver. We also were driving with Buchner until the injury. I do like many things about Pyne though and am rooting hard for him.
While it does apply that all QBs need help to be successful, some have more height, size, speed, arm
strength, escapability, etc... than Drew Pyne. A different level of that stuff is necessary to compete at the very highest levels of college football. The stuff the QBs at the very elite programs have. Drew Pyne is most probably not that. People saying that is more a statement of fact concerning the most important position on the team than it is hating on Drew Pyne.
Drew Pyne is an ND guy. Loves ND. Is doing his best. He can be a good QB and we can grow into a good team. I think all ND fans want Drew Pyne to be successful and want ND to win.
Very good response. There are very few QBs that can win a national championship by themselves. Even
the greats need some help and the lesser talented the QBs are they require more help. In the case of DeShaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence and Tua Tagioviola they could make the plays that proved they were great difference makers, yet they were also surrounded by great talent that performed at crunch time. In the case of the QB for Georgia last year he was surrounded by superb, off the charts talent that overcame his shortcomings yet he stepped up at the right time in the championship game.
he's to shot
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You are accurate sir.
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pyne is fyne.
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I think he going to do fine. Lots of guys have the
red ass because Buchner has work to do to live up to his hype. I hope does, but Pyne will do just fine in case he doesn't. See McDougal, Kevin
You're right about the red ass. We keep reliving this story. Groundhog day.
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