74 TD's & 7,649 yds in 22/21 w/ 12.5 Int avg. 75.3 Qbr
Vs. 22 tds 2021 yds 6 Ints 68.3 qbr.
I'd say that's a phenomenal upgrade.
Replies to: 74 TD's & 7,649 yds in 22/21 w/ 12.5 Int avg. 75.3 Qbr
He had to put up big numbers. They are 185th in rushing.
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It'll be interesting to see him play with a great Oline and good HB's.
And viable play action.
And a great offensive coordinator…
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Check your sarcasm meters
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That was my first guess but wasn't sure. Played it safe.
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It'd be nice. But, that's betting on the come.
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guess he'll be waiting until the NFL for this?
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Re: Great pick up
I've had the chance to see Hartman play throughout his years at Wake (Winston Salem native). He's a huge upgrade over Pyne. We will really find out how good or bad Tommy Rees is.
You're right. Upgrade over Pyne...but.. ND needs more than that
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Agreed. Best QB we've had since Claussen or Quinn.
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I like Hartman but he's more Book and Rees than Quinn or Clausen
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Rees with mobility and an arm. Not sure about the QB smarts. Never watched him a lot.
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Rees was a good QB, just slower than magma.
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And a very weak arm
Yes, I know about the throw he made in practice where he was on his knees and threw a 40 yard bomb.
That didn't translate to on-field arm strength. Opposing defenses knew that he couldn't throw a pass with respectable velocity more than 8-10 yards, and would squat in a short zone, rush three, and keep eight in coverage back in 2013. That crippled our offense, and to put it bluntly, the 4 losses we had (Michigan, Oklahoma, Pitt, Stanford) were all very winnable games.
Almost every time he tried to zing a pass in between 15-25 yards, it would get either knocked away by a defender, or our WR would lose a contested catch.
To his credit, he was easily the best QB we had when it came to making pass protection audibles, even if he did outsmart himself on too many occasions. He was also quite good at sliding around in the pocket to buy another 1-2 seconds.
Still, it's no secret that he was the limiting factor on that 2013 team. If Golson hadn't been foolish about his academics, and led that team, that could definitely have been an undefeated team.
That's fair. More Book than Rees I'd say.
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No where good as Book, similar to Rees
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yes.
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lol. nice cherry pick. 107TD / 5 years = 21.4 per year. Can't believe I had to spell this out.
Pyne 22 and we barely throw the ball.
So you're thinking he'll revert to his 5 year average? Maybe. Seems unlikely.
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With handoff Tommy as the OC. He's not shown to be of the air-raid type. He threw the ball 35 times
a game in 2022 at WF and 36 a game in 2021.
Pyne threw it 25 times a game. If Pyne threw 10 more times a game he'd be close to 280-300/game which is almost exactly where Hartman is 311 in 2022.
These QBs are basically the same outside of height and Hartman has an OC that likes to throw it more / be more aggressive.
He threw 35 times a game because they had the 185th ranked rushing attack
He had to throw that many times
Rees doesnt seem to trust inexperience. They threw a lot more with Coan.
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Can't trust what you don't try. Rees only called good games when he felt the opponents where
inferior. He calls a very scared game.
Yep, it was totally frustrating to watch.
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Let’s hope he can overcome Tommy Rees and average at best WRs
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WR group is hardly avg at best. Don't understand some of y'all.
Colzie and Thomas were 4* ND snatched from Georgia. Styles was a 4* plucked from Ohio. Colzie and Styles were state sprinter finalist and Thomas is a big body wr everyone covets now. If these guys went to Georgia or tOSU folks would be whining ND never gets those kinds of athletes. Then You add arguably the best WR group in the country...not sure where you see avg AT BEST???
The WR are used so poorly we have no idea what they are. That's what it feels like.
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Yep, that's for sure. Lack of trust in the QB's I think was part of it.
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Please stop telling me what they did in high school
They’ve done very little at Notre Dame. That is ALL that matters.
Last year they underperformed significantly.
I'm sure in large part due to the QB play. And what seemed to be Rees not trusting the QBs. Talent is there. This year has even more potential. Especially with the Va. Tech transfer and assuming Merriweather actually gets time. Downgrade at TE though will hurt. It's all about development. They don't seem to be good at that.
That's the question. Rees is not impressive
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3421 yds 35TDs 11 Ints 75.3 qbr this year.
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