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Yea but it would be Hartman 80-85% of the snaps and Buchner the other 15-20% next year and then the following year Buchner then Minchey/Angeli, Powlus...I mean if he thinks he can hold off Minchey for backup then he might stay but then the following year Carr has a year in the program and he's certainly #3 at that point with 4 years in the program.