Be careful what you wish for in Sam Hartman, an INT machine
In 2021 he was 2nd in the nation in the number of interceptions thrown with 14. This past year he was 8th with 12 thrown.
Under some logic I've seen used here, we need to go to the QB portal every year. I agree with Mike Goolsby 100%. Tyler Buchner showed what he can do behind a decent O-line. He believes Hartman is at his ceiling while Buchner's is higher and is still rising.
Replies to: Be careful what you wish for in Sam Hartman, an INT machine
INT rate very similar for Buchner and Hartman: 1 every 22 vs. 1 every 20 (rounded to nearest #)
Mike Goolsby believes Hartman is at his ceiling while Buchner is still rising. Don't count on Hartman to automatically be the starter. I bet Buchner busts his rear end this offseason.
Huh? Hartman career 1597 passes 41 ints. is 38.95 Buchner 116 and 8 is 14.74. Check it.
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You better check again. Wherever you got those numbers are wrong. Are you making it up?
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ND offered, it's his decision all the way. Is he stringing the Irish along like Moore did ?
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If the end game is to compete with the Georgia and Alabama’s Buchner’s play
the other night won’t work. That would have been a 21 point loss. I guess will see what Freeman thinks of his QB’s very soon.
Re: Sam Hartman threw 3 picks in a losing effort this year to NC State
I like Sam, But if that's his ceiling within the ACC, I think we can safely say that he won't be working any miracles in a Golden Helmet against Georgia or Alabama either. A year ago, I would have loved to have Hartman instead of Coan. Buchner has started 3 freakin' college games for God's sake. I don't even know what Hartman's overall record is, but I don't think he's ever won 10 games in a season over a 5 year career. IMHO he's just not worth the chance in regards to losing Buchner, Angelli, Minchey, or Carr.
Hartman's RTG was 159.4 and Pyne's was 155.3 in 2022
If Hartman's stats were a lot better, I could understand recruiting him
No better comparison than common opponents..
QB stats against our four common opponents from '22.
Pyne 55/95(58%) 646yds 6.8avg 6/1
Vs.
Hartman 93/143(65%) 1,301yds 9.1avg 19/2
Do you have the info regarding INTs with common opponents?
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Yes, it's listed there: 6 to 1 & 19 to 2
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Chris, you've posted this a couple times. You're comparing Hartman to Pyne. Limited value at best
There's little question, from most anyway, that Hartman would be a better option than Pyne. But, that's not the question, as you know. I think Tommy Rees has shown that he will call a different game with Buchner.
Do you not see the post I replied to?
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Hartman is a huge upgrade
If Buchner stays, and Hartman enrolls it will be the strongest QB room ND has had in many years.
Huge, and I don't understand those who think otherwise.
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So just out of curiosity. With Hartman are you thinking 14, 13 ,12, 11, or 10 wins next season?
Cuz if it's short of 12 or 13, we've just hung our ass out in the breeze with the other QB's on the roster or coming for very little reward.
I'm thinking 10 or 11 during the regular season.
8 or 9 with Buchner and his backup, cuz there is a good chance he gets injured during the regular season.
In any case why not take insurance with Hartman? Two birds in the hand are better than one in the bush, right?
Starting at 10 it’s an upgrade over this year
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Last two years he averaged an int. for every 36 passes. Buchner int for every16 passes this year.
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I got Hartman 1 INT for every 21.9 passes; Buchner 1 INT for every 19.7 passes.
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But he’s 6’1”
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Vs our four common opponents this year Hartman threw 19 TDs 2 Ints vs 6 TDs 1 Int..
that's an upgrade too obvious to ignore.
In 2022, 6 of his 12 Ints came in 2 back to back games (don't know what deal was in those 2 games, injury, supporting cast, etc) which means in his other 10 games he threw only 6 ints...hardly an int machine (which if you are worried about, Buchner should be a much greater concern in this department).
When you factor in the much less talented supporting cast he played with at Wake, if you use the same effort level you are in projecting Buchner as being special, it's VERY easy to project Hartman as being more successful with our supporting cast.
Uhm, you do know that Buchner threw 2 pick 6’s on
Friday? And 3 total on the day. Sheesh.
Sam Hartman ranks among the leaders in every category.
15th Passing Efficiency, 4th Passing TDs, 11th Passing Yards, 8th Passing yds per game, 38 TDs/ 12 picks. So, this is going to be a decision that Rees/MF are going to have to live with. Can Tyler finish a season? Can Rees develop Tyler? Can Rees call games that will put his QB in the best position to win? First and goal at the seven. He needs to be better.
Including interceptions
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Buchner can't stay healthy. Backup plan if its not Hartman? Angeli not going to get a shot
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We have nothing behind Buchner. Less experience than pyne had to start year
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Interceptions aren’t always a “bad” thing
1. A QB scared to throw interceptions typically isn’t very effective.
2. Not all interceptions are created equally. For example, throwing a deep ball interception on 3rd down is typically similar to a punt. Throwing an interception on first and goal isn’t very smart.
Did Rees say that?
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I vaguely remember him saying that to Kelly
at the end of the Tulsa game way back when.
Maybe, but a lot of other coaches have
Do you think throwing an interception on the last play of the game down 7 is the same as throwing one on the first play?
I’ll hang up and listen to your answer.
Wow
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You disagree?
Some make perspective linked.
Shall we debate?
Link: https://www.pff.com/news/stat-sheet-misconceptions-interceptions
Wake is a nice little school with a gadget football team.
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Buchner's dual threat ability is something that Hartman lacks.
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Except it actually isn't...in fact if you look at the type of mobility
that truly makes a QB lethal to defenses, Hartman is superior to Buchner. Buchner has better straight line speed, but Hartman has the kind of lateral quickness to make an unblocked DL miss like what Book was good at, and move around in the backfield to extend plays and then take off running if they forget about him.
Buchner played 1 game behind a good o line. Hardly
A decent sample size. Hartman may it may not work out. But rolling dice on Buchner seems risky with no backup on the roster with any experience. Can’t complain if u want Buchner and it downs work out.
I am not arguing for Hartman but this sounds like this years plan. Buchner or bust
I hope it “downs works out”
You never disappoint
Fat freaking fingers
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I am not wishing for anything but Buchner to start next fall.
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