“Notre Dame Football: Attacking the Attendance Problem. The answer is in chapter 1 of your Econ
Replies to: “Notre Dame Football: Attacking the Attendance Problem. The answer is in chapter 1 of your Econ
I paid $25 per ticket to go to a Jaguars game this past season
Of course, I don't make anywhere near six figures like everyone else here, but that's the point - neither do most people in northern Indiana.
Join the Big Ten.
I'd much rather pay to see MSU, Wisconson or Penn St. than Wake Forest.
You mean join the SEC. Big sux and no one would watch including recruits from the South.
iNDepeNDent forever
No shortage of students who want to go there, but the FB experience isn't great for what you pay.
Even the tailgating is mediocre compared to what I've experienced at other midwest and southern schools.
It feels corporate and exploitative.
Although the snow game this past year was fun - the addition of an unexpected element jazzed it up a bit.
The challenge has always been tnere…80,000 seat stadium
And only 8,000 students many of whom are grad students and law school students who may not may not care about the football team. Compare that to say the SEC with 85-100k stadiums and 30-50k students. A widely dispersed fan base for Notre Dame whereas most SEC schools’ fanbases are within a days drive. Throw in a less than stellar product and lately a crappy home schedule and you have a recipe for disaster. It’s not the prices. With the advent of digital tickets it’s not nearly the rip-off it once was.
So...59,075 was the right number?
(no message)
Maybe so
(no message)
Is there anything Rockne didn’t know?
(no message)
Don't worry: Jenks and Swarbucks will paper the seats with illlegals.
(no message)
AL's and LSU's student sections are each under 20K.
And ND has 10K total. A difference, certainly, but not the 4x difference you mentioned.
BUT: LSU has 36K students, Bama 39K It's far
easier to sell 20K student tix when only half of students needed. I remember reading somewhere a while back that ND had the highest % of students buying season tix in CFB.
If I can find it. I'll post it.
Not just that
1. Some students don’t sit in the student section. Parents have tickets, etc.
2. As West Coast said, most of the 40K students graduate and then go work within driving distance of campus. Making it easier to come back for games.
Even with this advantages, these schools are struggling to fill stadium. Because watching football on TV is almost always better than being there (unless it’s a huge game with juice in the stadium).
This
(no message)
All true. If none of my kids go there, I could see attending a game once every 5/10 yrs soon
And, given ND's admissions propensities, I don't know that any of my kids will be accepted.
I'll still watch on TV, but being there is less a draw. Given all that is going on in CFB, ND is at a fork in the road in terms of its program. There's a real risk of brand dilution, and I think the admin is in a position where it can no longer have its cake and eat it too. The got fat and lazy.
Speaking of Econ 101, unis better realize they're dealin with elastic demand...
No matter how much resources are spent in marketing, ppl won't pay any price to attend a football game. Admins stupidly thought they could go deep into debt for athletic facilities, charge whatever the wanted, and fans would always do what they've always done, be loyal and spendthrift. Ahhhhhh.....no. They're running up against the wall of rationality that says we're not paying whatever you want for a subpar product. UOwe is running face first into that reality..
This problem isn’t unique to ND
There are a multitude of reasons, but people aren’t as interested in going to live sports as much as they were 10 years ago.
Speaking for myself, if ticket prices were more reasonable I would attend more games.
(no message)
So you are not a season ticket holder?
(no message)
Would you though?
What is cheaper? Because you can get tickets to about any ND game for really cheap on the secondary market.
Yes, most of my family is in the area, so always a place to stay.
(no message)
Ok, next year you’ll be good. You should be able to go to almost every game for less than $40
Sometimes as little $10. Enjoy the games and loud!
Wow. Just a few years ago they were bragging about the consecutive sellout record.
(no message)
That was bullshit too - they'd give 3,000 tix to hobos and urchins and call it a sell-out
(no message)
YOU would know. You supplied a lot of the hobos...
(no message)
Winning, especially big games, would alleviate this problem pronto.
(no message)
It's Tonto - but you are close
(no message)
They still have sellouts, but the sellouts are now among the admin
(no message)
The locals supported that stadium up until about 15- 20 years ago when ND really started gouging the
Opportunity to keep their tickets on top of everything else, $5 to $10 K. Take out the non grad ND fans and 56 K is to big…
When my kid was at the law school would make it out for a couple of games a season.
Had a place to shack and we would usually get cheap tickets before kickoff especially when they were paper.
The problem is multi fold; gouging on decent ticket locations, gouging on lodging, shitty opponents and most importantly, shitty on field performance.
ND has a dispersed and small alumni base. Without the subs that place is half full at best. Only way to draw the subs to pack the place is a better product and opponents. Losing at home to such luminaries as Marshall and then to the Trees which I attended tends to stifle the desire to attend. Shit, we almost lost to Toledo at home the year before.
Well said.
(no message)
Make the entire lower bowl SRO.
(no message)
With 6 free beers prior!
(no message)
Win. Next.
(no message)
Re: “Notre Dame Football: Attacking the Attendance Problem. The answer is in chapter 1 of your Econ
While I am not too crazy about ticket prices another issue (not related to the university) is the price of rooms for out of town fans. We used to stay for the weekend for a reasonable cost at a place near campus. If I wanted to stay at that place last night a room would have set me back $79. That room for OSU weekend starts at $500 a night. This is not a five star property either. Doing a quick search for places in that area I am seeing prices even worse.
Needing to shell out $1000 for a room for the weekend that will sit empty most of the time (since we hit campus early even for night games) is causing me to rethink our yearly pilgrimage.
I would imagine other fans are in the same situation. For the price of tickets and a room a person could buy a huge tv and surround system and enjoy every game of the season in the comfort of their homes.
Alan
I'm with ya. I think there is a bit of a "gouge factor" going on---especially lodging. Another
factor, IMO, is the length of the games which is heightened by the interminable TV timeouts. Fans just start to "get get some mojo going" which them gets squashed by "hours" (seemingly) of commercials. I could go on.
I’m an idea man. I have always thought the solution to this issue is the “minute man” approach.
Veterans, police & fire personnel, first responders, Catholic school teachers, active military personnel, etc. we make a list of these people. “Friends of the program”
48-72 hours before each home game ND sends out a blast email to the “minute men (and minute women). You can buy up to 8 non transferable tickets to the game on Saturday. Ticket price $20/each.
(The white Sox have family Sundays. This is similar. You grow the fanbase. You give back to people who deserve to be cut a break)
I don’t want to hear about how it can’t be done. No one is sitting in those seats, sell them to people who love ND and love them back.
ND would be cutting these people a break, for that we expect every minute man & woman to be on good behavior, and to root for Notre Dame, failure to do either results in you being removed from the minuteman list.
You’d fill the house, you’d be helping people & meeting them halfway, while growing your fanbase. Plus some of these folks would likely go to the bookstore, buy a hot dog, go to the grotto &/or mass.
Just my 2 cents, as always I could be wrong.
Hey don't forget regular school teachers! I can't afford anything.
(no message)
I’m fine with expanding the list of “minute men/women”, but whoever you put on the list we need them
To root for Notre Dame & be well behaved, failure to do either is removal from the list.
Teachers are a good addition to the list, and I’m sure there are others UPS men & women etc. Remember the picture of the coal miner who worked all night, and took his son to see Kentucky’s basketball practice. Like the song by Alabama “40 Hour Week (For a Living)”, let’s help those people out if we can.
Thanks for taking the time to read my post. God bless you & your family! & Go Irish 🍀
I think it's a great idea. We need forward thinking like this.
(no message)
I like the cut of your jib. I'm in for cheap beer and titty girls selling it. Let's do this!
(no message)
Similarly I thought student tickets for high school kids
Opposite the college kids.
Solves 2 problems. Attendance and continuing to build and grow the fan base.
Man, this is an idea worth serious pursuit. Can someone here get it in front of Soredick? BTW,
Sweetbob, if you are "just an idea guy" as you say you are----and I firmly believe that you are---for the love of God, PLEEEEEEEEEEASE DO NOT UNDERSELL your idea at the end its discussion with that final sentence. Yer throwin cold water on a very hot idea. Let it percolate amongst the masses for a bit and ring in one's ears for awhile. At the end, you made it sound like it may not be worth much. It's a great effin idea.
Maybe add this to it: A $5 "card" or "coupon" good for a 'Dog and a Drink' (large, non-alcoholic); or, a $7 card for a 'Dog and a Drink (16 oz. domestic, alcoholic)!
You IN or OUT, padna?!!
Thank you for your kind words. I’m somewhat of a humble man. I go to mass every morning and when I
See the Jesus on the cross, I can’t help but feel blessed. If it makes sense, it kind of makes it less about me, and more about Him.
God bless you, and thank you for reading my suggestion.
PS if anyone from the Athletic Department or ticket office wants to use my idea, it’s free for you to take. Say it was your idea, I’m fine with it. Again, not about me, but about Him.
PSS btw, some of my best ideas come at mass, if anyone is looking for inspiration or the way.
PSSS God bless all the ND family.
God Bless you. Don't be blessed, be a blessing.
(no message)
This is an excellent idea. Could be the blueprint for a solution.
Way to many stiffs in the crowd now. Need some diehard fans to take their seats.
And revenue has to take a back seat.
Thanks for your kind words. I agree. I heard from a radio DJ that big stars like Bruce Springsteen
Only want big time fans in the first ten rows. Probably because they feed off their energy.
Let the people in who really care.
Again, this will comeback to you.
People like Catholic school teachers, veterans, police & fire, first responders, active military, sometimes show them you care, cut them a break, nobody was siting in that seat anyway, and simply put $20 > $0.
Again, “we need your help to shake down some thunder from the sky!”
If anyone from ND reads this, feel free to take this idea free of charge, I’m glad to help. Plenty of more ideas where this came from. God bless & Go Irish 🍀🏈
SBG
Is that the same Springsteen that charges his loyal fans $700?
Give me a fucking break. Screw him and his liberal politics.
Roadies have orders to get the best looking women close to the stage. A real hottie from my hometown
went off with Mick and the stones for 2 days after a concert in Pittsburgh... Don't know if Mick would be up to the task these days. :-)
And how much are Springsteen seats in the first 10 rows? How much are the drinks? Parking? Lodging?
It takes some cabbage to see a corporate arena act. Then ad on Ticketmaster and their cost.
They don’t usually sell those
for Springsteen, BJoel and others. They have roadies go to the nosebleed seats and bring some diehards down to the front. Those fans go nuts, which is just what the performer wants.
Good idea. Would have to be
local or at least semi-local. But I think it’s great!
Thanks for your kind words. I figure you give ‘em a 2-3 day lead on it, you’d sell it out.
Plenty of good seats available.
But they can’t bleed them for money! It’s all about the buck$
(no message)
I figure sometimes you give something, and you get something back!
I believe St Francis of Assisi said, “it’s in giving that we receive.”
I think this is a win/win. You grow the fanbase, give some people a thrill, and pack the stadium…in the subject line header of the email, I’d say “we are looking for your help to shake down some thunder.”
In the movie It’s a wonderful life, it’s the genius of George Bailey that he thinks of the other person? And it comes back to him in spades… just some food for thought.
You all are over thinking this issue. You can go to every home game & concert , plus parking.
Food tickets for the games included. All for free. Just become a stadium usher. Those are your perks. They are looking for stadium ushers, especially since Covid hit. Lot of ushers never returned. I'm not an usher but two very close pals are. They told me.