UHND.com - Notre Dame Football, Basketball, & Recruiting

(no message)

Your post is Exhibit A.

The sanctimonious, entitled view that should an athlete opt for a ‘lesser’ school, they will suffer academically, or such selection means that said athlete isn’t concerned about his education.

Just like school academic rankings, this notion is pure bullshit. A kid who cares about his education will do just fine at Alabama, or any P5 school, for that matter.

Come down off your horse and stop spewing this garbage.

righteous BS from peeps with no real affiliation with the place as well as arrogant alumni?

(no message)

If a student at UA studies and works hard, he can get a fine education there. I've seen many of the grad students at my institution come from UA, and they do just as fine of a job as the ones that come from private schools, even Harvard.

That being said, UA is a state school, and as a result, admissions criteria aren't quite as rigid as what they are at ND, so a lot more kids who go to UA are going to fail out or drop out. It's all a matter of your work ethic at that point.

For that matter, most state schools can offer similar claims, although quite a few can't (South Carolina State University, Alabama State University, etc).

when the parent of a recruit asked Wimp Sanderson how many of his players graduated(they had a very low grad rate among BB players)...he said, "every one that wanted to."

(no message)

(no message)

Things that are dramatically more important to me than where they went to school:

- Career progression
- Attitude
- Actual results
- Ability to express themselves
- Interest in the job

That said, I’m not hiring people straight out of school so perhaps my criteria are different.

in a major that is worth something.

(no message)

When your education is the only thing on your resume, the school definitely matters.

We just hired a relatively senior position (all applicants 10+years experience) and I honestly don't remember the schools any of them went to.

To everywhere else is maddening. Good students can get educated anywhere if they apply themselves. Some schools do have better reputations but you can do fine in many schools if that is a goal.

Now if u want to just play football, that’s a different story.

And I am an ND alum and proud of it.

university...ended up Magna Cum Laude and #3 in her class at prestigious grad school...(btw, ahead of good friend and ND grad)..."Bloom Where You're Planted"...

That being said...ND is deserving of accolades.

Back to Football...I worry about the impact of all this 'NIL' activity on the vast majority of athletes who chase the $$, but not the educational opportunities that many universities can offer...they don't realize it now, but they will need them in their future lives...very few will be "set for life" with pro contracts.

Wanted to teach HS physics. OSU had just instituted a new physics curriculm, the capstone-paradigm model. Only a handful of schools had done so, making us singular in a way. What unis realized was they were graduating ppl with BS Physics who didn't know physics. Rather, they memorized well enough to pass tests, but not have conceptual understanding.

The foundation of C-P was studying ONE physics topic intensely for a month, focusing on concepts, with math used only to supplement the discussion, not supplant the study of the topic. It was the most exciting, revelatory time ever spent in academia, because having a widespread DISCUSSION of any subject, controlled and directed by students, created an honest, genuine, collaborative experience. For me, it was invaluable for my teaching career because it made me realize much of traditional STEM pedigogy was of poor quality. Anyone can understand STEM if a solid conceptual understanding is initially established.

Point is, it wouldn't help to rank schools such as OSU with other unis that don't utilize C-P because OSU has veered from the prescribed mandates. Very few unis have a bottom up approach to their classrooms, but i can say that it's a remarkably efficient method of presenting a subject...

Sounds like your education served you well. Hope u r educating and molding minds to teach them physics is phun!

Yes, hard work can get you a good education at any school (or even without a school, I might argue). But some institutions do provide a better range of experts in their fields, and rankings sort of loosely reflect that, and that can in fact produce better opportunities to learn more and gain greater expertise to ambitious and hard-working students at such institutions. And Notre Dame is among the Top 20 or so, roughly, I think, considered in this way. As the ratings usually reflect. So of course the motivation of the student him/herself is the biggest single factor, but some schools do in fact offer a better chance to learn a lot in your field than do others.

Get a really good education. Now if u want to be at the top of your field and want the name recognition some schools are preferable than others. ND has its niche in a few of those categories. Prestige matters in some fields too.

We are a bit biased admittedly

(no message)

(no message)

(no message)

(no message)

(no message)

You can quibble about whether such rankings mean much - probably not really - but to the extent that they indicate something real, Bama is way better at football than at teaching.

Link: US News Top unis

Quick Google search says #137.