Discussion about the wisdom of offering recruits with less than four star composite ratings
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Re: Discussion about the wisdom of offering recruits with less than four star composite ratings
I have no problem w/ Freeman offering a "diamond in the rough" but he needs to be signing 5* players or we'll never reach the promised land.
Outside of Carr who (of course) has yet to sign, Freeman hasn't delivered. He really, really, REALLY has to get Justin Scott to sign.
Re: Discussion about the wisdom of offering recruits with less than four star composite ratings
You need at least one top 5 class every 3-4 years to have a chance. They’re not close to that. Frankly, I think this class will be lucky to finish top 10, that’s how horrendous the Defense is right now
Have you paid any attention to ND FB over the last 25 years?
Why are you losing your mind right now? ND is going to have something like a 71% Blue Chip Ratio next year which is as good as it's been in years and years.
Re: Have you paid any attention to ND FB over the last 25 years?
That’s not a great indicator, there’s no distinction bw a 5* and low 4*
First you were crying about offering a 3-star, now it's 4-stars
Do you expect us to have all 5-stars?
It's literally the best predictor of success in CFB.
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It could easily be the coach not doing his job or not doing it well.
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Beyond silly to get worked up over this
I liken it to the obsession over the US News & World Report academic rankings. Completely meaningless garbage that unfortunately has become quite influential.
Re: Beyond silly to get worked up over this
No, it’s not. The data proves you need elite classes to win a title. Do some research for once.
I would think star ratings are more accurate over large
Samplings of players vs an individual. There are plenty of examples of successful 3 star and flameouts at 5.
But any one person can prove the entire rating off. Which makes sense to me.
Obviously coaching and player development has some affect here
Some are media hype jobs but usually 4-5 star talent turn into draft picks
Just look at 'Bama and Georgia
That’s very true over hundreds of kids but there
Are always exceptions. Relying on those exceptions should be limited ti a very small number each cycle. Should not be counted on as a reliable tactic
If the coaching staff has done its homework and knows its stuff, I'm fine with it
Most services had Joe Alt as a 3 star recruit, and Rivals had him at 5.6. Those aren't exactly great numbers, since 5.8 is the minimum for a 4 star rating.
He was 257 lbs at the time we were recruiting him, and his only other Power 5 offers were Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas State, Minnesota, Missouri, Northwestern, and Rutgers, along with North Dakota State and South Dakota State.
I don't think that anyone in his right mind can question that he turned out quite well, and anyone who questioned why we would "waste" a scholarship on a 3 star undersized (at the time) fellow should be happily eating crow right now. As for my own evaluation, I thought he would be challenging for a starting spot around his junior year after some S&C and experience, since he already had great technique and footwork. I'm also glad to have been proven wrong when it came to his timeline.
Jeff Quinn wasn't a very good line coach, but to his credit, he did know how to bring in the talent.
For that matter, a lot of Nebraska's excellent success in the 90's was done with offensive line who were barely on the radar. Those O-line coaches under Osborne knew what they were looking for, and I would dare say, were the next best thing to having Joe Moore as a line coach.
Re: If the coaching staff has done its homework and knows its stuff, I'm fine with it
How’s recruiting that way worked out for ND the last 30 years? A few 3* each class is fine and I’m not under the impression, they’ll be recruiting at UGA or Bama’s level. However, this Defensive class is terrible right now abs only getting worse.
See Clemson 2016.
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This year's draft...
This year's draft in particular showed that 5 star recruits produce championships. I see a lot of this commentary being aimed at excusing our woefully inadequate attempt at signing these types of players in any signifcant numbers or with any consistency. Obviously, 3 star players can bloom into championship caliber players. But the programs at the top consistently land championship caliber talent, and lots of it. 3 star players are needed and I hate seeing ignorant posts that disparage a kid due to his ranking, but there no way to get around the fact that those 5 star kids are integral to making serious runs at an NC.
Thanks for taking that crap down.
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Ditto.
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Mahomes and Allen were 3*s.
Tyler Eifert was a 3*, other examples if I think about it.
The star rating system is far from perfect.
Name me the last team that won the NC whose roster wasn't composed of 5/4* recruits.
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Re: Mahomes and Allen were 3*s.
On the macro level, it’s pretty much always right. The data proves it.
But my point is that you can still hit on 3*s.
And the coaches should be doing their own evaluations, star system is for fans.
Re: But my point is that you can still hit on 3*s.
That’s stupid, on the macro level, you need elite talent.
UGA took 4 3*s last cycle and 8 the cycle before.
I know we need elite talent, but bitching over taking some 3*s is silly. Calm your tits.
Practice team.
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Mahomes and Allen were 3 sport guys who many thought would play Baseball...
Baseball was Mahomes' main focus until late and neither attended any camps or 7 on 7s due to other sports and therefore didnt get evaluated. Allen was also 6'3 180 as a SR so he was still growing and developing as a prospect. But now its all about going to camps to get rated as a 4* or 5*! Eifert was 1 tenth of a point from being a 4*
Good point.
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It's like when I was being recruited and always missed camps due to AAU Track or Basketball
They consider you to be raw unless you show up at these camps and give them something to look at up close and personal, unless you have outstanding measurables or in my case run blazing track times with decent size.