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Surely ND’s boosters are better heeled than the Tide’s.?

Author: Curly1918 (16166 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 6:30 pm on May 17, 2023
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And surely our alums account for far more corporate officers.

Shouldn’t we be an elite institution when it comes to NIL.

No?


Link: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37604069/who-nick-saban-was-really-talking-called-jimbo-fisher

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Thread Level: 2

So the Ivy League has a path back to relevance despite no schollies?

Author: croaker (549 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:02 pm on May 19, 2023
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Alabama has 30k undergrads, ND has 8k

Author: shep (237 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:15 pm on May 18, 2023
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It’s something to also consider

Thread Level: 3

4 for 40 should cover that.

Author: whatsamataU (25118 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:07 pm on May 19, 2023
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It’s alumni wealth that matters.

Author: Curly1918 (16166 Posts - Joined: Aug 30, 2017)

Posted at 7:21 pm on May 18, 2023
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Among serious football schools ND is in the top five and the only SEC school in the top 20 is Texas. We probably are also on a lot of Boards of Directors of major corps. We are not maximizing our financial power in support of the team.

Link: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-universities-wealthiest-alumni-harvard-princeton-yale-2019-7?amp

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Indeed. Look at the endowments.

Author: ndunabomber (6417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:03 pm on May 18, 2023
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Alabama-Tuscaloosa's is at 1 billion.

ND's is at 19 billion, and that was after having lost 3 billion last year.

Notre Dame isn't hurting for money.


Thread Level: 3

Alabama's tuition vs ND's tuition

Author: ndunabomber (6417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:22 pm on May 18, 2023
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Alabama: 11 K / year for in-state
Notre Dame: almost 60 K / year

ND's pulling in more tuition bucks, for certain.


Thread Level: 4

Did you actually do the math?

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:51 pm on May 18, 2023
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More than half the 39k students pay $30k/year

Alabama is pulling in far more tuition.


Thread Level: 5

Most of those "paying" 30K / year aren't paying the full amount

Author: ndunabomber (6417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:08 pm on May 18, 2023
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The UA system is actually quite generous with grants and scholarships, even to out of state students, and especially if you're considered a "real" person of color (Black or Hispanic). If you're in that category, it's all but impossible not to get some grant and / or scholarship money directly from the school.

Thread Level: 6

The key thing is everyone at Notre Dame is paying the full tuition right?

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:03 am on May 19, 2023
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Those at Alabama from out of state likely are paying a higher percentage of tuition than the in-staters.

We saw same thing at University of Florida. Out of state tuition was 3X the instate tuition and in state students were 3X in population. So essentially the out of staters were contributing the same total tuition $$$ as the instaters. It was intentional.


Thread Level: 6

What matters is the aggregate amount of student loan debt..

Author: ripperduck (3083 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:15 pm on May 18, 2023
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Any uni has on its books. Unis use student loans as the collateral for all that useless campus construction. It's to their benefit to force undergrads to take in debt.

As with many unis, they'll give a "generous" financial aid package freshman year, which disappears the following years bc they're replaced with loans. Also, try graduating in four years. Unis have made it far more difficult to get out in four.

Maybe Bama is bucking the trend, but I'd have to see how much debt their students are carrying to see if that's true. My hunch is that they're not


Thread Level: 7

Universities don’t make the loans. It is either held by the federal government or private companies

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4605 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:30 pm on May 18, 2023
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Thread Level: 4

Because of football, now 58% of Bama's 38,465 students come from out of state.

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33392 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:43 pm on May 18, 2023
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Thats 22,600 paying the OOS tuition which is now over $30k.

Just sayin'...


Thread Level: 5

Bingo!! For the same product, OOS kids pays more than 2x...

Author: ripperduck (3083 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:09 pm on May 18, 2023
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Than in state. It's a scam directed at stupid teenagers that equate football prowess with high academic quality. And taxpayers subsidize that bullshit at nearly $2 Trillion in aggresgate student loan debt..

Thread Level: 6

So you can’t get a good education at Alabama?

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:27 am on May 20, 2023
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It’s impossible? Asking for a friend.

Thread Level: 7

Education at Tuscaloosa is what you make of it

Author: ndunabomber (6417 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:04 pm on May 20, 2023
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If someone takes the correct courses, works hard, and graduates, he's going to be as good as any graduate from Harvard when he leaves.

But, like any state school, admissions standards for in-state kids is going to be lower, so the bottom 20% of UA-Tuscaloosa will be worse than the bottom 20% of Harvard.

At my institute, in one of the classes, there were grad students who came from Harvard, Yale, and UA-Tuscaloosa. They were all about the same in terms of quality of knowledge and work ethic, and all three did a fine job as grad students.


Thread Level: 8

Thank you. Once you are 4-5 years out of school it’s all about you, your work ethic, your prowess

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:27 pm on May 21, 2023
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in your particular field. That’s why after a handful of years the college education stuff goes to the bottom of the resume.

I get a kick out of the folks here who act like Notre Dame is the only place to get a good education and to be successful and that you can’t possibly do that at a Big 10, PAC 12 or SEC school. Talk about the ultimate snob behavior.


Thread Level: 2

Are ND’s boosters gonna fork over illegitimate NIL? Will the university look the other way?

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33392 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:12 am on May 18, 2023
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That’s the issue in my view.

Many of these schools had huge booster networks set up making then illegal payments to players. When NIL came to pass, the framework was already there to pay players over and above their actual NIL value with the payments essentially laundered now. Those schools actively encourage it without any care or input as to academic advancement.

I don’t believe ND is going to engage in that fashion and therefore will lag in across the board NIL for marginal NIL value players along with requiring actual degree progress.

Believe ND, despite having considerable legitimate NIL value and funds available, will ultimately lag even further than pre-NIL.


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Thread Level: 3

Yup. This has nothing to do with booster resources

Author: Nigel Tufnel (7978 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:23 am on May 18, 2023
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Is ND as willing to bend the rules as others are?

No, ND isn’t. As it should be.


'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
Thread Level: 3

I agree. Without any oversight, the conclusion is foregone. Playing by the rules, which is one of

Author: BaronVonZemo (58857 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:34 am on May 18, 2023
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the lessons the school seeks to teach, is a significant disadvantage.

Queue the Kim Dunbar or manager writing paper for an athlete scandal. But in these cases, the school was unaware at the time, and self reported as soon as it knew. They will behave the same way again. It is part of our identity.


Thread Level: 4

PS - but there’s no reason we can’t put kids names on back of jerseys to help their NIL value.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58857 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 9:36 am on May 18, 2023
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Thread Level: 5

While I preferred the team concept...In a day when players can get $5 million for their name,

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33392 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:03 pm on May 18, 2023
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it should be on there.

Thread Level: 2

You haven't seen the latest with FUND?

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:21 pm on May 17, 2023
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ND is doing it right and billionaires are intimately involved.

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.
Thread Level: 3

George Steinbrenner's Yankees were the best team that money could buy. Should ND FB follow suit?

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 7:28 am on May 18, 2023
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Thread Level: 2

Maybe they are, but the actual ROI on the money might be more of a deterrent than with SEC boosters

Author: Irish_Demon (2771 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:19 pm on May 17, 2023
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