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There are a lot of students working and going to college while athletes are admitted with full scholarships and tons of resources to succeed academically. Yet athletes are paid with NIL. Would be great if the scholarships went to the athletes who want to graduate and NIL folks pay their own way. There is plenty of blame to go around. Professional leagues putting restrictions on when players can be drafted, NCAA for allowing schools to get rich and not allow athletes to sell their autograph or merchandise for decades for income, athletic departments amassing huge war chests while players were told they couldn’t accept gifts, NCAA not imposing caps on NIL, coaches getting rich while some players families are in dire financial straits, colleges being semi-pro leagues for NBA and NFL.

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girls that he was introduced to at a certain school. He was very fond of his HS girlfriend. His girlfriend (an average student) was called into the guidance office and was told that she was being offered a full academic grant to this certain school. Neither went to that school but it shows the length that some programs will go to...

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This thread is about Justin Scott

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..I'm not so sure.

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not the evil empire that it once was. There are far worse programs. When Donna Shalala took over at Miami she made a lot of BIG changes. It is not wise to mention the name of a person or a school in a negative tone. The person that started this thread could actually be held liable.

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Why do we have to keep revisiting this?

Why? Is ND strapped for cash....again?

Doesn’t NIL money come from outside the Universities themselves? Can’t an alum or a corporation fork over whatever it takes to use a player’s name, image or likeness? Or are there “rules” prohibiting this?

I'm not sure how much coordination there is between boosters and coaches, but Ryan Day came out a year or two ago and publicly stated that OSU would need about $13m to be able to maintain their roster.

We know kids are being offered money to commit to these schools. It's a clear violation of the rules, but it's happening. Do you recall what happened with Jaden Rashada?

Or that bitch ass Safety that committed to Oklahoma?

Or the bitch ass QB that eventually committed to UCLA?

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...at least none that are paid attention to, as most universities trying to win it all don't give a shit...and never did.

NIL made it easier as they have cover for all their "boosters" payments now.

scholarships because Kimmy Dunbar (who paid 100 bucks to join the QB club) took a couple of the guys to Vegas. Kimmy was a choirgirl compared to what goes on today....

puke...go be a Miami fan if a dirty program is what you aspire for.

freshman. I don’t believe it’s illegal or dirty for other teams to do it according to the NIL rules. Can someone correct me if I am wrong?

Secondly, current players to get paid plenty. I don't recall if paying recruits is illegal or not. It might be but, could depend on the State. And ND isn't the only big name school that doesn't do "pay for play" (which is what this is). My understanding is that Ohio State doesn't do it either. Maybe Michigan too.

if laws are followed regarding to employment of minors, etc...

For example if some business wants to put LeBron James kid in commercials, because he's LeBron James' kid and he has some fame, there is nothing wrong with that.

If FSU wants LeBron's son to come play for them and let's one of their representatives know we want him, go offer him signing bonus under NIL banner to sign with us, that is NOT protected by NIL as the school itself is not allowed to have any hand in NIL money offered.

NIL is supposed to be players marketing themselves to businesses, etc.

Plenty of schools in a conference that will remain nameless are having a "representative" know we want Player X and Y, go offer him signing bonus under NIL banner to sign with us and Wallah!! Magic!!...You get decommitments or multiple players signing with the same school at the same position, your left wondering WTH why would they go there!

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Money to freshman pay to play or can it be done via NIL within the rules?

This is a rather key point. If giving NIL money to incoming freshman per NIL guidelines is allowed then we have chosen not to do that. If it is indeed illegal then schools are cheating. My point being if we are not going to do it for principle sake then it’s another road block we have decided to implement whether it is a admirable stance or not.

There has to be an answer to this question. It seems rather straight forward to ask.

NIL is intended to allow student athletes the right to profit from their popularity while enrolled in school which student athletes were previously prevented from earning money while in school.

What this looks like in general when done within the lines. Johnnie is the hotshot new player on the roster, and he (or an agent) markets himself to the local community (or nationally) if he's popular enough that national businesses would want to use him in commercials and such. He then cuts a deal with local Buick dealership, they put his pretty face on their billboard or in their commercials, THEY pay the player or provide him free loaners or whatever deal is worked out.

Notice "The School" is involved in no way.

What it looks like outside the lines. Recruit is offered by someone on the coaching staff, or a representative (for plausible deniability) a certain dollar amount to sign with their school. Even if said Buick dealership in Alabama calls recruit Johnnie in California and says hey we like you and we'll pay you 5 mil to sign with Bama. Did the Buick dealership pick Johnnie name from a hat? Random speed call? How did they know that Johnnie is the one Saban really wants? The School told them, that's how. The school says hey Mr Buick dealership we want this kid bad, we need you to go offer him 5 mil.

This is the school indirectly paying recruits to sign with them, it's not protected by NIL.

NIL is not intended to be used in recruiting AT ALL...it's to lift the restraints that previously prevented student athletes from making money while in school.

Especially when 3-4 Top 10 Safeties all sign with the SAME school or 5 of the Top 12 WRs sign with the same school.

just to compete.

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sure goes on is that businesses are encouraged to support a NIL group and then extra tickets and the like are extended to the business via other avenues. Ir’s been confirmed all Georgia kids receive at least $20k per month. How many UGA kids have any connection to a brand in Georgia or even Athens?

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Legit purposes it’s safe. I don’t want to debate legit but I think we all have a good idea what that is.

Basically it should not influence the school decision when the recruit decides.



Sorry I put this in wrong spot

BYU has a group subsidizing the walk-ons so they effectively get scholarships via NIL monies.

Problem is, in terms of true NIL value, the walk-ons, by their very nature, really don't have any.

Conceptually, it seems like a nice thing to me. It also seems to violate the essence of NIL....

as long as the school or it's representatives are not directly or indirectly involved in the process.

Outside of a school hiring people to educate student athletes on NIL and providing resources to help them do their research, the school or representatives should have zero involvement with NIL.

So in being true to its essence, I don't think there would be anything wrong with rich ND alums putting together something separate and in addition to what BQ started, that would add to what each ND player (even walk-ons) gets each month.

to see who could raise more for the team each year and claim the Annual True Fans of Notre Dame trophy/title.

...serios designs on a NC.

With no enforcement...there are no "lines",

receive NIL money. I stand corrected. Thank you for clarifying.

Is the player allowed to seek this out themselves before enrolling?

Example, #1 QB recruit in the land...Johnnie, takes all his visits, he's never offered a dollar amount during visits but is maybe introduced to the NIL team who helps the kid understand how NIL works and teaches them how to explore their options, maybe presents information on the avg NIL income for players on the team, etc...but he's never offered anything to go there by the school, their representatives or a business by request of the school.

Then he decides to commit to Alabama and it's all over the news. The owner of Birmingham Buick sees the news and loves it and thinks this could really help him sell cars if he signs the kid to a NIL deal. Buick contacts the kid or their representatives and sets up a meeting to discuss terms to make Johnnie the face of Birmingham Buick. If the school was involved in no way with initiating/requesting the deal, and they did all the legal hoops if kid is still a minor, then he could totally sign a deal with them.

The difference is he is now being paid for his popularity by someone in the area who can make money from their face and in theory is paying a portion of what they make off their face to them...but the kid was not offered money to sign with Alabama. That is the fork in the road.

of doing it legitimately too

Let's just pretend CJ Carr was the #1 QB and #1 overall recruit in the nation.

Could you make the case that he would have better or more, major/national business NIL opportunities opened up to him by signing somewhere else, rather than with a National brand like Notre Dame? There may be some others that would be comparable, but better?

However, when you throw in the "acquisition fees" that are not legitimate, to pay kids just to sign with you...to teenagers and more specifically "their families" cash in the hand now speaks.

So I think Notre Dame is actually handling it correctly by just not being involved in it. My question is, why haven't ND boosters, who for years upon years could not give money to players and had to stomach knowing the big boys we are trying to compete with are..why aren't they taking this opportunity to pour funds into the players through NIL (without direction or guidance by ND) to make it so every player on our roster is getting 20k a month like Georgia?