Safety recruiting over past 10 years...8 transfers, 2 dismissed, 1 retired WOW!
2013: Max Redfield 5*
2014: Drue Tranquill 4*
2015: Mykelti Williams 3*
2016: DJ Morgan 3*
Spencer Perry 3*
Devin Studstill 3.5*
2017: Jordan Genmark Heath 3*
2018: Derrik Allen 4* and Paul Moala 2*
2019: Kyle Hamilton 5* and Litchfield Ajavon 3.5*,
2020: None
2021: Khari Gee 3* and Justin Walters 2.5*
2022: None
2023: Adon Shuler 4* and Ben Minich 4*
Replies to: Safety recruiting over past 10 years...8 transfers, 2 dismissed, 1 retired WOW!
Who was dismissed? And how was Redfield a 5* recruit? He was terrible.
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Wrong on Redfield. His whole trajectory changed when he got that PF for that hit. Got Doghoused
He was a perfect fit if the defense was coached to play fast and angry. Unfortunately they were coached to read and react and play not to lose. He was not terrible.
Re: Wrong on Redfield. His whole trajectory changed when he got that PF for that hit. Got Doghoused
I guess I could see that but he ended up transferring to Indiana State (of all places) and was never heard from again.
Did he get into the coach's doghouse there as well?
Nope, was 1st Team AA over there at IUP and had around 80 tackles and 4-5 picks
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Indiana University of Pennsylvania
IUP was in Division II, where he actually had a really good year in 2017, snagging 4 INT's.
He played for the Birmingham Iron in the AAF, and was having a good season, until the AAF folded.
I honestly think he could have had a decent pro career in the NFL, if given the chance.
Re: Wrong on Redfield. His whole trajectory changed when he got that PF for that hit. Got Doghoused
How many kids recover from such a public demotion. Not just the ejection but the punishment from the coach. Dude's head probably was never in the right place after that. People forget these are young adults with brains still developing. We love the sport bec of the youthful passion they exude mix with the athleticism of grown men. But they're still youth...
It was mentally crushing and you could see it in his play.
Always wondered why it seemed to be the same thing with ALL the highest rated recruits with Kelly. They always found a way to be in the doghouse for something and the lower rated guys would be playing and seemed to have a much easier time, I always wondered if it was some personal agenda...Just take a look at each high 4* or 5* guy and it seemed to be something at some point and time except with Jaylon Smith who was just used incorrectly most of the time.
The thing with that hit, from my memory it wasn't really that bad, but
Kelly blew it way out of proportion because of the effect it had on the game, that's Kelly though, always looking to point a finger while pretending to take responsibility.
EXACTLY
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Those Kelly idiocracies and it changed the way Redfield went abt business on the field unfortunately
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!! My siblings and former teammates constantly said the same thing
BVG didnt let them play with flow and instincts to attack! Simply just reacting all the time wasn't beneficial to him or the players on D.
100%
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The Van Gorder curse
There were too many times he was stuck playing deep in "Cover 2" or "Cover 3" and not being utilized like he should have.
During his time at ND, a lot of people were hollering at his being 15 yards away from the underneath receiver, and having to play catch-up, but not realizing that Van Gorder's scheme was a horrible fit for going up against spread offenses that simply picked apart his defenses at short and medium ranges.
Even though the 2014 defense was rated pretty badly, there was a lot of excellent talent on the roster that was badly misused by Van Gorder.
That's an understatement
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Redfield was not terrible, his main problem was staying on the field because
he was either in Kelly's doghouse for off field stuff or he was suspended for personal fouls for hitting too hard.
Did he live up to 5* status, heck no, but he was not terrible...I've see worse safety play in last couple years, by someone still on our roster, than what he displayed.
He had his moments of brilliance, but too sporadically
As you stated, he had trouble getting onto the field due to being blacklisted by Brian Kelly or getting in academic or disciplinary trouble.
He turned in a very fine performance against Michigan in 2014, although sometimes I wonder if that were due to Brady Hoke's ineptitude... Still, the way he gave a hard, clean block against Devin Gardener after the last play of the game was absolutely beautiful.
He basically started to play "not to be in the doghouse" and without his natural attack mentality!
Thanks to BVG scheme keeping him in Cover 2 &3 and Kelly's idiocracies as a leader of men.
Spot on from my recollection.
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I mean even look at guys like Nyles Morgan who were used incorrectly
Jaylon Smith wasn't used nowhere near his ability at ND, more like at about 60%. They never used him to rush the passer despite his blinding speed and left him in the middle most times🤦🤦
But, maybe it was best for the team that Jaylon Smith played the middle
Yeah, I know, and agree 100%, it was criminal of Van Gorder to not use Jaylon Smith properly. By all rights, Smith would have been an amazing pass rusher, and mowed down just about any QB or RB in the backfield.
However, Smith playing at the MLB position bailed out the weakest parts of our shitty Van Gorder defenses out too many times to count. He was fast enough to cover almost any receiver, and strong enough to fight it out with any tight end, and had some of the best instincts out of any linebacker at ND I've ever seen. The only one who I could arguably say had better instincts was Mike Stonebreaker.
There were many easy completions over the middle, at medium range that were prevented by Smith, whether it be due to great coverage, or his great positioning.
He was also the reason why Joe Schmidt wasn't exposed too badly in 2014, and especially in 2015. Without Jaylon Smith, that very good 2015 team would probably have had 4 or more losses before the bowl game.
He was dismissed then made '17 All American for IUP with 80 tackles and 5 picks
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About half of all 5 stars never pan out.
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More like half of Notre Dame’s 5 stars
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Well in recent memory most were pretty good in College and made it Pro.
Jimmy Clausen (#1) All-Am/NFL
Jaylon Smith (#2) All-Am/NFL
Manti Te'o (#3) All-Am/NFL
Aaron Lynch (#7) Transfer/NFL
Sam Young (#8) All-FR/NFL
Michael Floyd (#11) All-Am/NFL
Dayne Crist (#20) Transfer/Injuries/Bust
Gunner Kiel (#24) Transfer/All-Conf
Ishaq Williams (#25) Academics/Bust
Mark LeVoir (#27) 2yr Starter
James Aldridge (#27) Injuries/Bust
Victor Abiamiri (#28) Hon Mn All-Am/NFL
Max Redfield (#29) 2yr Starter/Transfer/D2 All-Am
CAM WILLIAMS (#29)
Tommy Kraemer (#26) 4yr Starter/3rd Tm All-Am/NFL
JAYLEN SNEED (#33)
Duval Kamara (#31) 3yr Starter
Mike Mayer (#32) 3yr Starter/All-Am/NFL
Kyle Rudolph (#29) 3yr Starter/NFL
Stephen Tuitt (#32) 3yr Starter/All-Am/NFL
Maurice Stovall (#34) 2yr Starter/3rd Tm All-Am/NFL
Well from last draft eligible class of '18 so far 24 of 32 5* are PROS (1 MLB)
7 still have eligibility to play this year and 1 is finished (Gaoteote IV). Of those 7, 3 will be drafted next year so 27/32 would be about close to 85% for that class.
Not a great stat but in all fairness, I don’t think safety was our main problem. In the big
games (i.e. playoffs), the biggest problem was not having a stud QB, and to be honest, better coaching staff to make adjustments. Against Bama, they took away our TE’s and Kelly/Rees didn’t adjust nor know what to do after that. I can remember watching a podcast where Tim Brown said the same thing.
Well it's been our achilles heel on D, and basically how 'Bama shut down our TEs
They cant continue to follow good Safety classes with DUDS. Of course a stud QB helps but didnt matter much if you cant stop a team when it matters most.
You need a QB to turn those games into shootouts and have a chance
The only QBs that Kelly put out there that showed any ability to win a game were Golson, Kizer, and Coan
Golson, Kizer, Coan....lmao!
All three of them were either too flawed, too careless, or too streaky to be relied on to win games consistently, let alone shootouts.
Ian Book was the only QB Kelly produced worth a damn and Kelly should owe a royalty fee to Book from his big payday, as the only consistent stretch of winning Kelly displayed in 12 seasons were the four that he had Ian Book as his starter.
Kelly was kryptonite to good QBs...think about it, what was Kelly's base for being a QB coach? ..because he played LB and tackled QBs, or because he read a book about it one time?
🤦🤦
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Ian Book...I mean thats 4 QBs and others were Crist his 1st year, Wimbush and Rees.
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No
Book was a game manager on good teams, like a Stetson Bennet
Definitely more than a game manager his JR year, he was very good! Much like Bennett this past year
He took over some games and they did much more than a typical game manager.
Find the end zone once and I’ll start listening to you. Ha!!!!!!!!!
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Poor kid
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