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Will the lightbulb ever go on in the head of Tobias Merriweather?

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 3:20 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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You idiots created the Merriweathee fable

Author: NDNEIL (7423 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:17 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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"coaches are purposely not playing Randy Moss Merriweather. They don't want to win! They are playing favorites"

Forward to 2023. "He sucks. Why are the coaches playing him! The coaches don't want to win playing him."

He's a 19 year old kid who has barely played. He will likely be a good player if given a chance.


Thread Level: 3

Classic board move. Have a strong opinion one week/year and take the opposite the next.

Author: oldirish (9324 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 8:32 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Nice, calling others "idiots" while misspelling the kids name,

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 4:25 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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making up statements that, as far as I've read, no one has said and saying "the kid has barely played" when he's been starting all year.

Can't make this shit up.


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Stop, you know it's true.

Author: NDNEIL (7423 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Idiot

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Thank you for accentuating my point.

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 4:36 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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I'm less concerned with his head and more concerned with his HANDS

Author: Chrisb (16381 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:39 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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How many has he dropped this season? ..seems like a lot, I'm ready to see what Braylon James can do.

"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis
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I'm concerned with his head because that's probably why he's dropping balls,

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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not competing for contested balls and generally doesn't play with much urgency.

He has 2 great examples in how to play with a sense of urgency in Flores and Greathouse. He should try to emulate them.


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I agree.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58852 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 7:10 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Re: Braylon James: Marcus said he's "almost ready." Let's hope so.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 3:42 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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His play suggests no but is it him or how complicated our System is?

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 3:25 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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It’s impossible we have all these issues with young talent that can’t be productive. Outside of our 2 freshman WR and a few DBs we dont much get from freshman ever. And even the sophomores seem to struggle

See Kollie sneed and merriwether


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The 2 freshman picked it up before the start of the season.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58852 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 4:35 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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When the ball hits you in the hands and you don't catch it

Author: McIrish (5322 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:28 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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It's not the system. When you don't fight to come back for and underthrown pass, it's not the system.

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Very true but how can the majority of our young talent

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 3:30 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Have similar issues.

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Merriweather is the only one having problems, maybe Colzie a bit too.

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 4:09 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Everyone else has been working hard, getting open and catching catchable balls.

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Colzie is injured right now, though.

Author: ndunabomber (6416 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:42 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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He was actually hurt before the tOSU game, and didn't play that game. From what I understand, it's the same knee that was slowing him down last year.

He underwent arthroscopic surgery, and is out for a few more weeks.


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My issue is u can insert colzie styles and tyree name

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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In for merriwether and have the same conversation. We don’t seem too be able to develop these kids and it seems very unlikely are all the players not being good enough.

I know styles isn’t here anymore but I think it’s a valid point. Not sure tyree is all his fault for sure but for 4 years we have wasted his talent


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I hear ya, I just don't see it. Merriweather is the only one I've seen

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 4:34 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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where effort and production have been a major issue. Route running, fighting to get open, competing for balls, drops, etc, etc. Tyree playing WR for the first time and he's looked great, just hasn't gotten the targets. Flores, Thomas and Greathouse have been great. I think Stuckey has done an excellent job with the group, save Merriweather and maybe Colzie.

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Would u agree we have mostly wasted tyree talent over 4 years?

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:31 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Yes! Parker has to find a way to get him more involved into the game plan.

Author: IrishChristopher (732 Posts - Joined: Sep 4, 2016)

Posted at 11:53 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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yes. thought he would be a 10 touches a game guy this year

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16169 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:51 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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ABSOLUTELY!!

Author: Rocketman84 (1528 Posts - Joined: May 31, 2011)

Posted at 8:53 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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I just checked Rivals and Tyree was recruited by all the major programs.

Author: jray (3327 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:49 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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We all recognize the kid has athletic ability but our coaches

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:54 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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have not been able to put him in spot to be successful. This is no fault of tyree in my opinion.

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I would. His lack of targeted touches is baffling. He was supposed to be the speed stud ND had been

Author: jray (3327 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:43 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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lacking and his career has been underwhelming in my opinion. You would think they could find ways to get him the ball in space. I’ve watched all of the Colorado games this year and Dylan Edwards, a true freshman who flipped on ND and went with Prime, is used the way I was envision Tyree should be. Colorado gets him the ball in space and he takes off. When it comes to Tyree, I certainly don’t think he’s been used the way he should, but I also wonder if just maybe he isn’t the difference maker we were all led to believe he was. Colorado will be a tough out next year. Prime has some speedy skill guys and they are young. They aren’t real big but can fly. ND needs to continue to recruit speed on both sides of the ball.

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We have speed but it hasn’t translated yet. At some point

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:46 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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It’s not only on the players. That was my original point. We have not put any of these guys in the right positions to succeed. Tyree is the poster child for that.

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Yes, agree.

Author: jray (3327 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:47 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Oh yeah, Rees consistently running him between the tackles

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:39 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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was pure comedy. The move to WR was perfect for him and he's made the transition beautifully for a guy that's never played the position.

Thread Level: 10

Thanks for reminding me of that. Agree that running him between the tackles was just stupid.

Author: jray (3327 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:44 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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I agree. He needs to pick it up but how long does it take.

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:29 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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I think we need a grad transfer next year. We do have a risk of losing 1 or 2 in transfer if they get passed by younger guys and our numbers are awful

Our freshman and very good and we need next years class to come in ready to go too.


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Took Boykin and Claypool 4 years, but that was with

Author: Clem (1877 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:47 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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a pretty bad WR coach.

Think you're right about getting a plug in talent in the portal (or two) Tough to do due to ND's academic requirements for transfers, but the numbers and talent need to improve by any means necessary.

If the incoming freshmen turn out as good and ready to play as Flores and Greathouse, I'm building Chansi Stuckey an altar.


Thread Level: 5

Greathouse hasn't had any problem catching passes and I think the drop by Flores

Author: Chrisb (16381 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:43 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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was his first...Those are Freshman. Merriweather is a Sophomore.

"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis
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I don't like the excuse that "the system is too complex"

Author: McIrish (5322 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:35 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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But I can understand it being used for the defense because you have to react to what the offense is doing. There is no excuse for the offense being "too complex". On offense, you know what you are supposed to do and where you are supposed to go.

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For the record merriwether has underperformed and he

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 3:57 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Is struggling. I don’t see anything to suggest he will break out if it and may wind up sliding down the depth chart in the future if he doesn’t get better.

It’s a shame, he has plenty of athletic ability.


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We saw his 75 yd. TD against CMU and wish he would be a constant threat like that.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 4:00 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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And you know what the brown thing is that they throw at you, and to CATCH IT

Author: Chrisb (16381 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:50 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis
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Is the key word "confidence?" Once you get it, you'll be OK, but some never get it.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 3:33 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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I don't see that with Flores or Greathouse

Author: McIrish (5322 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:32 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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These are the first 2. I concede that point

Author: ndphysics (3899 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 3:35 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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I question his effort more than his talent

Author: McIrish (5322 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:23 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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Yeah, but maybe his hands just aren't that good.

Author: Irishize (7596 Posts - Joined: Dec 1, 2018)

Posted at 3:28 pm on Oct 1, 2023
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