Final Verdict: Was the Sam Hartman venture worth it?
Ultimately, I think so, but he could have played better; however, he should have had a better OC and WRs.
Also, if we could have beaten Ohio St., our whole season might have been very different, in a good and positive way.
Replies to: Final Verdict: Was the Sam Hartman venture worth it?
It’s a push.
I understand Freeman is trying to get an extension. Hartman was better than average. But playing Angeli and Minchey might have been better for the long term.
No
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Yes.
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Yes.
The alternative was Buchner/Pyne.
Hartman was underwhelming and will be forgotten quickly.
Yes. 100%
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Very much so, and we had almost no one for him to throw it to.
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Nope
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Per the female fan base, a resounding yes.
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What was the alternative?
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No. We have the same record and he was an insignificant factor in games that could have easily been
won with halfway competent QB play.
We signed him to be a difference maker. He made the wrong kind of difference and was less than impressive. Nothing more than the same type of game manager we already had. So, here we sit 2 years in with the same lack of continuity in the QB room and we're missing half a WR room because the offense wasn't improved other than "statistically", largely because of a watered down schedule.
Well said, and right on the screws
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Absolutely
The younger QB's got a chance to learn from him in terms of football smarts, as well as leadership. He showed the guys how to be a strong leader, while also being a unselfish fellow, and I'm darn proud to call him a fellow Golden Domer.
Was he the perfect QB? No. You're generally not going to get a 5 star QB through the transfer portal, unless you already have a top notch team loaded with upper echelon talent. Our receivers were substandard this year due to injuries, transfers, and lack of developed juniors and seniors, and this isn't even taking into account the Stuckey mess...
He got us to what should be a 10 win season, and that's an improvement.
We definitely lose the Duke game without Hartman, and I would dare say that NC State would have been a loss as well.
Hell no.
The only benefit was increasing our all-time wins. Could have easily gone 7-5 and still been in the Sun Bowl. And developed a qb.
Complete waste of a season.
Yes. It turned the page on the Pyne/Buchner saga (thank god).
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Who basically gave us the same performance as Hartman
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False narrative.
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Very little difference between them, Hartman experiment was serviceable, and that is all
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No Mike Mayer this year
Drew Pyne would have severely regressed had he played this year, especially with the multitude of freshmen receivers playing.
Thx Karnack, did you notice Hartman's favorite target was Mitchell, A TE, before he
went down. Sam used him alot , security blanket
Evans was good, but he's no Mayer
I doubt anyone here will argue with me, that Mike Mayer was in a class all by himself.
The man could fight for receptions even in double coverage, and come away with a reception more often than not. He was the reason why a lot of our WR's last year had single coverage.
If Mayer were here for this season, tOSU and Clemson are easily flipped to victories.
Didn't say he was Mayer, said Hartman used
Mitchell in much the same way, a lot, when he was healthy. It hurt hartman's performance when M was hurt, undeniable
Not only that, our OL was good this year but not like HH had them playing last year.
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Our OL was good this year?? Are the guards not part of the OL you're referring to?
Our guard play was atrocious
Decent idea? Yes, Was it squandered? Yea. QB w/o Oc is pointless
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Yeah this is where I'm at ^^^
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Depending on what it cost? Definitely could've went 9-3 with others
Two of those losses were a direct result of him having piss poor games and looking like "Turnover" Tommy
^^^This
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He is what he is, not what we hoped,or
wished he'd be. Serviceable at best and our record would be about the same, with or with out him
Yes. We would have lost NC State, Duke, and maybe USC in addition to the games we lost w/ Hartman.
Our bigger issue was the WR room, not Hartman.
I don't think we would have lost to USC, Hartman didn't do anything in that game...
it was all defense like Clemson last year.
I think same 3 we lost to, plus Duke and NCSt like you said, plus a near miss vs CMU and all the blowouts would have been more modest wins.
Don't think ND would have lost to NC ST either, maybe one more win, hardly worth it..
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TOTALLY AGREE
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The alternative was Buchner throwing a dozen pick 6s
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Hartman threw 8 interceptions in his last 6
games. He was turnover machine
And Buchner threw 3 Ints in the "best" game he ever had for us...
I'm assuming you have functional eyes and saw how these two looked on the same field in B&G game.
Buchner is not on Hartman's level any more than Hartman is on (name an elite QB) level.
The mistake you and so many have made is comparing what Hartman did this year to what they did last year. Three things make this a flawed comparison: OC, OL and Mayer.
Buchner and Pyne would have struggled mightily this year, with Parker, OL that consistently got beat quickly and badly inside putting DL right in QB (Pyne) face who was not mobile enough to escape and WRs who didn't create much separation most of the season forcing QB (Buchner) to be highly accurate which he wasn't.
This season sucked with Hartman and I'm disappointed, but it didn't suck because of him, he just wasn't good enough overcome our obstacles consistently. But if we had Buchner and Pyne, this season would have been a total disaster.
Bullseye
Hartman did what he could, and what he did do was better than what either Buchner or Pyne could have done given this year's issues.
Possibly, but did he win us any more games ?
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Well Hartman had 7 TO's in two games....Cant get much worse
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Not to mention his fumbles
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Yes + agreed !
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I think so.
Not as good as hoped but, certainly not all on him. Staying with Buchner and Pyne definitely wouldn't have gotten it done. Freeman took a shot and I applaud him for that.
I have mixed emotions on bringing Leonard in. At some point you need to go with the guys you brought in.
Was worth the shot at the time. Could have turned out better. Can’t see it being worse than Buchner
or Pyne. The move at least had a potentially decent higher ceiling. Just didn’t get there.