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Is the program where you thought it would be?

Author: koreasam (524 Posts - Joined: Mar 28, 2017)

Posted at 8:32 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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I had them going 8-4 so that's a positive. For the most part Freeman isn't getting his ass kicked in big games like Kelly did. The down side is where the offense is heading when your WR's are leaving, Hartman regressed and they are no closer to having a solid QB room than when he took over. Morrison is a stud but no one has really taken away a job from Kelly's guys on defense. Baptiste did a great job but you can only rely on transfers so long. Maybe he wins ten games and slides into the playoffs IF they beat USC in the last game.

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Sun bowl 2010 sun bowl 2023 vs team with no coach

Author: beefy78 (2338 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:27 pm on Dec 8, 2023
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Baby steps...be patient

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I expected a better record this year, but wr injuries and previous poor recruiting at the position

Author: michiganirish (1356 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:52 am on Dec 8, 2023
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stalled the offense. I believe recruiting is better, use of the portal is good, and I like the direction of the program. Dline played well, but recruiting dline needs to improve. We will find out more this coming year about offensive play calling. Lots of persons were down on Rees, but Alabama is in the playoffs (elite players matter and ND was forced to play a lot of young guys this year. Multiple years in a system really does help players excel).
Lastly, MF gets ND and sells it. If ND ever turned into a sleazy, win at all cost program, which didn't care about the players or their education, I wouldn't watch or care.


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Honestly, no. I think the offense isnt any better in 2 years. Hitching our

Author: ndphysics (3896 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 8:49 am on Dec 8, 2023
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Future improvement on Parker as OC is just crazy and will likely lead to similar results in next year or 2. I don’t believe Parker will be significantly better next year unless we get him some help with an experienced analyst.

The defense is fine, the talent is there but we should bring in experienced DC if golden moves on. Keeping golden and an OC analyst are needed to ensure moving forward in my opinion.

Finally, if we can’t develop our own QBs none of the above matters. I thought we would be able to be better coached and better prepared at a minimum and that doesn’t seem to be the case


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In their third year at ND, Leahy, Ara, Devine and Holtz won the NC

Author: bobdrake (737 Posts - Joined: Sep 30, 2021)

Posted at 5:34 am on Dec 8, 2023
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2024 will be Freeman's third year

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Yes troll. It scares you doesn’t it…..but we don’t cheat for the quick fix like your team.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:04 am on Dec 8, 2023
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Ever notice the responses from everyone else?

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:36 am on Dec 8, 2023
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You do realize a lot of people feel this way. And they don’t go on and on about Michigan at the same time. It’s funny how you think you are the one that’s right. Just read the comments.

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I think you are referring to the same 4 or 5 posters that post all the time and talk definitively

Author: michiganirish (1356 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:57 am on Dec 8, 2023
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about how much better the program would be if they called the shots. One of which, said we should play higher ranked players sooner, even if they don't know the routes and don't block well.

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4-5? Just look at this thread.

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:55 am on Dec 8, 2023
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4 - 5 that post all of the time, say the same thing over and over, and who are certain they know

Author: michiganirish (1356 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:19 am on Dec 8, 2023
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better than the coaches, who are at every practice and who know the players. All the posters from the thread are not like this (only the same 4 - 5).

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Exactly and thank you. Of which Woodstock is one. Go Irish.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 11:49 am on Dec 8, 2023
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Yes, its where I thought it would be & that's not a good thing

Author: IrishChristopher (732 Posts - Joined: Sep 4, 2016)

Posted at 11:05 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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No. At best it's neutral with the positive that we don't get absolutely embarrassed in big games but

Author: oldirish (9323 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 10:58 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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we still rarely win them either. So, we're still in the "oh look, Notre Dame almost won against xxxx". We're still in the cycle of getting credit for playing tough while losing. This year my expectation for showing progress was going at minimum 2-1 in the only 3 games we had on the schedule - Clem, OSU, USC. All winnable games and actually easier in real-time than they looked coming into the year. We went 1-2 and dropped our annual surprise game, so on the net, that was a step backwards.

The coaching gaffe's were pretty unexplainably bad this year, but we can blame that on a coach with no experience. That part has to be rectified fast or it will spiral out of control and turn into a dumpster fire. Both offseasons so far, under the new staff, have been full on damage control type turmoil as well. Recruiting feels like it's much higher, but statistically it is inline with what Kelly did in his early years and was doing. So that is a net wash.

All-in-all, I'd say the excitement of the new and the potential to be a lot better is starting to wear off.

Removing the rose colored glasses and being objectively honest, I think the program is about the same as it was and possibly trending down given how things came unhinged with the offense, WR room, and the mismanagement of the QB room. The OC deal is a bad one and seems worse than what we thought we got away from. Mismanaging the QB depth by going to the portal last year and what looks to be again this year is more likely to continue a mess in that room instead of fixing it. Additionally, it doesn't help that the restrictions we have on the portal basically remedy it almost useless in regards to its intent and how other schools are using it.

On the whole, we're realistically in the same spot. Same record, same issues at QB, same issues with OC and vanilla offenses, same issues with WR routes and getting open. Same good RBs, better DB play. Same good and improving defensive play. Same missing DL pressure/sack ability and same quality LB play but nothing to write home about. Kicking game also is about the same 80%-ish and a coin-flip when it's really needed.

We're the same team with signs of stagnating and potentially trending down. Year three is truly make or break given the fumbles and what didn't happen in year 2.

Excited to see how it shakes out, just not as excited as when the hire was made.


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Louisville…

Author: whatsamataU (25115 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:27 pm on Dec 8, 2023
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"annual surprise game". FSU beat LVU with a 3rd string QB and we had "Sam Hartman"!!!

Author: oldirish (9323 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 7:57 am on Dec 10, 2023
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Too bad he was a severe INT machine. "Turnover Tommy" returned wearing #10. He had 3 INTs and 2 lost fumbles that game. What a joke, 5 turnovers on his own. Winning with 5 TOs is an extremely low odds probability, and these were all Sam's fault. One player. The one we brought in thinking he'd win games he couldn't win at Wake. That's bad player evaluation.

The first INT - lead to LVU TD - 7 points
first fumble - LVU no points
second INT - lead to LVU FG - 3 points
second fumble - LVU 3 points
third INT - just outside the redzone, potentially cost 3 points at minimum

Sam gave LVU: 13 points off turnovers and we lost by 13. He potentially cost ND another 3 points with the last pick which means if he was worth anything, we win the game. Instead, Hartman was the primary reason ND lost the "annual surprise game". Let's also not forget two incompletions in a failed 4th down conversion on our own 35. Bad QB play and bad OC / HC decisions against an inferior opponent who has you on the ropes.

Now, are you going to tell me how tough Lousiville was and that you had this game circled as a loss preseason? If so, feel free to post a link where you made these claims before the season started.


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“We”?! You are one of the other regular trolls.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 12:05 am on Dec 8, 2023
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I had to unignore you for this: Can you actually refute anything I said? I'd love to see a rebuttle.

Author: oldirish (9323 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 7:41 am on Dec 10, 2023
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But you can't with any level of logic, sanity, or without removing your homer glasses.

Sorry, I live in the world that is. Not one full of unicorns and rainbows as you like to see it.


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Not a thing he said was wrong.

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:43 am on Dec 8, 2023
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You have serious issues.

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Yet it is you stalking me.

Author: BaronVonZemo (58844 Posts - Joined: Nov 19, 2010)

Posted at 3:56 pm on Dec 8, 2023
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I think that I struck one of your chords….which one I wonder?

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In general no, but 2024 will say a lot if there’s progress and if the program is headed in the right

Author: jray (3325 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:02 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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direction. Coaching screwed the pooch more this year than the quality of players. At a minimum this team should have been 11-1 or undefeated if not for bad coaching. Recruiting is still doing well so I’ll be fair and see how 2024 goes.

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Thought? Yes. Hoped? Not quite. Coaching quality is a disappointment.

Author: LanceManion (7648 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:56 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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I'm reserving judgment until after the '24 season...but I will say

Author: NEPA Irish (926 Posts - Joined: Aug 24, 2009)

Posted at 8:53 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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I'm not very optimistic at this point.

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Absolutely not, the program is still outside of the Top 5 programs

Author: Rocketman84 (1528 Posts - Joined: May 31, 2011)

Posted at 9:48 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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If you're someone who follows trajectories...Freeman was handed a Fiesta Bowl participant,

Author: Chrisb (16376 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:14 am on Dec 8, 2023
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then took the team to the Gator Bowl and now we're in the Sun Bowl.

Doesn't give the appearance of the right trajectory.

But I guess we have to hope Gerad Parker suddenly becomes the guy to help change that.


"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis
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Exactly!! Portal QB 3yrs in a row, shaky OC & DL, underachieving LBs, WRs fagettaboutit!!

Author: Rocketman84 (1528 Posts - Joined: May 31, 2011)

Posted at 12:00 pm on Dec 8, 2023
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Secondary recruiting has improved, but we've gotta start landing some of these guys for the trenches (3* projects will not suffice) and continue to get faster at the skill positions especially WR! Perhaps get a OC who has a clue of what he's doing and sonm diversity on 3rd downs.

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I care less about the actual record than I do how they are trending

Author: GrandRapidsDomer (621 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:37 pm on Dec 7, 2023
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I have been very happy with how the defense has seemed to improve. But the offense was not consistent, nor does it instill any confidence in ability to beat good opponents.

I’m not really sure what I expected but I didn’t think the offense would look so bad as they did at various times this season


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You have to do better than trend which means you have to be at least 10-2 and hopefully 11-1, or

Author: THEISMANCARR (17142 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 12:38 am on Dec 8, 2023
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12-0. Only the latter two to qualify as very good to excellent seasons.

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Re: You have to do better than trend which means you have to be at least 10-2 and hopefully 11-1, or

Author: GrandRapidsDomer (621 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:50 pm on Dec 8, 2023
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My main point was that if we are 10-2 but all we are doing is the same old "beating up the weak teams" and getting thrashed by the good teams, then I don't view that as an improvement over Big Game Brian

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If I recall in your exclusive rating system 3 losses or 10-3 is mediocre

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:58 am on Dec 8, 2023
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Correct?

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What did I say now that was different? I am only fairly happy with 10-2, very happy with 11-1 and

Author: THEISMANCARR (17142 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 1:05 am on Dec 9, 2023
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elated with 12-0. Yet, there is an empty feeling if you come close but don't quite get there.

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