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Go Navy, beat Army!

Author: ND521 (9254 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 5:54 am on Dec 9, 2023
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does

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Thread Level: 2

Go Navy

Author: Nigel Tufnel (7977 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:30 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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A Navy victory means that AF will retain the Commander-In-Chief's trophy. If Army wins, it's theirs.

'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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The Black Knights of the Hudson will prevail.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25728 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:46 am on Dec 9, 2023
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Playing in Foxboro is dumb.

Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
Thread Level: 3

Go NAVY!

Author: cubsfanin16 (5480 Posts - Joined: Aug 25, 2016)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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Game belongs in Philly

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Yeah the Chop Block Bowl...

Author: irishslovak (1312 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 8:39 am on Dec 9, 2023
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Lol!! Well done.

Author: jray (3325 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:41 am on Dec 9, 2023
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Cut block. If it was chop block , there would be flags thrown virtually every play.

Author: ELP (9319 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 3:58 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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They push the legality to the very edge

Author: ndunabomber (6412 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:46 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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You already know this, so this is more for the folks who don't know.

A clean cut block is where the blocker aims his shoulders at the hips or even the upper thigh of the defender. If done correctly, it's no more damaging than a standard straight up block, except that the defender tends to have some big bruises the next morning. The San Francisco 49'ers that won all of those Super Bowls in the 80's and 90's used this kind of blocking, and didn't injure defenders at an abnormal rate outside of what you'd normally expect.


Chop blocking is where a blocker engages up high, while another blocker engages down low at the same time. This is illegal, of course.

Navy, et al., does something different, where they have one blocker engaging up high, even holding the defender. At the same time, another blocker dives at the defender's knees or ankles. Just a split second before the diver makes contact with the knees or ankles, the first blocker releases, technically making it a cut block of the worst kind. A lot of times, the defender has no time to avoid the diver, especially if the first blocker holds.

This is how Bryant Young got a nasty sprained knee in 1991 at a time that we really needed him healthy. It was also how Eric Jones' career basically got destroyed, after an Air Force blocker almost severed his foot from his leg. The only thing holding his foot to his leg was the skin.


Thread Level: 5

Ask any D linemen or linebackers that played for ND during the years about Navy, Air Force & Army's

Author: irishslovak (1312 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 6:44 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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knee capping downright CHOP BLOCKING that was never called! Lou Holtz was VEHEMENT about it!

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Do you know the difference between a chop block and a cut block? One is legal. The other is not.

Author: ELP (9319 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 7:59 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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The service academies are not the only ones that cut block. Apparently, the coaches on the rules committee have no interest in making the cut block illegal.

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A chop block is when one player goes low (to cut block) while the defender is already engaged with

Author: Chrisb (16376 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:45 pm on Dec 10, 2023
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another blocker up high.

It's a two on one concept with the first blocker engaging the defender and the second blocker attacking the knees while the defender is in a position where they can't protect themselves.

It's a great way to end someone's football playing days.


"Notre Dame by a million..Go Irish!" -Shane Gillis
Thread Level: 7

A cut block is below the waist above the knees. A chop block is used to knee cap guys!

Author: irishslovak (1312 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 8:56 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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I played D3 football at the US Coast Guard Academy! Served 5 years in the USCG, attained the rank of Lieutenant (O3). I am not anti military!!! AirForce, Army and Navy use the chop block!

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They do dirty cut blocks, but manage to avoid having the chop block called

Author: ndunabomber (6412 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:15 am on Dec 10, 2023
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You are correct in terms of what a clean cut block is, and that's when the blocker aims his shoulders at the defender's waist, hips, or even as low as the upper thigh.

You're mistaken on what a chop block is, though.

Chop blocks are when you have a blocker engaging the defender up high, while another blocker dives at the defender low while the first blocker is still engaged. This is a personal foul, and should be called every time.

Navy, Air Force, Georgia Tech (under Paul Johnson), etc., do a lot of what you would do with a chop block, but the first blocker engaged up high releases the defender just a split second before the second blocker's dive makes an impact. This way, the coaches can snidely say "nope, only one blocker hit the guy at the time of his injury, so it's ever so technically not a chop block." This is technically legal, but it's really, really dirty, and injures many defenders.

Often times, the first blocker engaged up high will grab onto the defender tightly, so that the defender can't move out of the way of the diving second blocker until it's already too late.


Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=6&msgid=550962

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So, ND is knowingly putting our players at risk by scheduling Navy/Army.

Author: ELP (9319 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 8:18 am on Dec 10, 2023
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Do the parents know this? The rules committee is knowingly placing these athletes at risk by not banning the cut. I would assume there are numbers out there somewhere that show a greater amount of leg injuries playing against the service academies than playing against anyone else. The coaches should then voice their concerns and the rules committee should probably act upon it asap. Seems like there is a little feet dragging going on by all parties. Until then, a cut is a cut and a chop is a chop and the cross body block is gone but not forgotten by us old timers.

Thread Level: 10

If all this was true don’t you think it would be all over the news

Author: WoodstockIrish (14629 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:43 am on Dec 10, 2023
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And something WOULD have been done about it? Add it to the list with the officiating and the announcers

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Me thinks you need to refine your definition of a chop block.

Author: ELP (9319 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:04 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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The service academies most certainly do not use the chop block. Not one time was a chop called between Army and/or Navy today because it's illegal. Don't care about your bio. Just trying to help you out with these two very different blocking techniques. Many make the same mistake as you. Your welcome.

Thread Level: 9

Read the rest of my post! Me thinks that you are a pogue...

Author: irishslovak (1312 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 9:08 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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LOL. Are you sure you're not a teen? You sure act like one. Can't say I didn't try.

Author: ELP (9319 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 9:12 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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I am sure that you are a pompous middle aged nerd that never played a down of football....

Author: irishslovak (1312 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 11:24 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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Re: Ask any D linemen or linebackers that played for ND during the years about Navy, Air Force & Army's

Author: irishslovak (1312 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 6:44 pm on Dec 9, 2023
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