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Then why are we happy about it?

are only as good as our last game.

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Hypocritical much?

Nothing hypocritical about responding to someone who habitually brings political bs to this board.

It's funny that one side of this fence is able to follow rules and keep this stuff on the open, while the other side seems to consistently have "accidents" and post it on the football board.

Hypocritical much?

cousin who was a Marine and won the Silver Star in Viet Nam and he never talks about any of that experience. I remember going to his wedding when I was in about eighth or ninth grade and he was dressed for the wedding in military whites for the wedding back in about 1965 or so, and I remember admiring him so much. The most humble man I ever met. He drove 5 hours one way to my mother's funeral to spend a short time with our family and he had to leave to go the next day to his doctor's appointment for treatment for his agent orange exposure. He is still alive at 80 and never complains.

I realize this should have gone to ChrisB above.

Were we happy with that?

Then after 12 years he leaves for LSU, stating they will be more supportive of big time winning, implying that Notre Dame held him back.

Now the 'learning on the job' guy just entering his third year ever doing the job, has matched (at the school that holds you back) what BK entering his 34th year as a HC has done (at the more supportive school) through their first 28 games on the job.

I'm sorry if you can't grasp how this comparison spits in the face of BK's bullshit narrative and points to the potential of MF's future as he gains experience, even if we aren't happy with everything he's done to this point.

Was merely pointing out both guys are 20-8. That’s a fact. We differ in that I don’t have a hardon for Brian Kelly. I could care less that he left, could care less that he is at LSU, and am glad USC won only because it helps our SOS which needs all the help it can get.

Also a closer look at SOS for each team shows LSU had the 5th and 7th most difficult SOS in the last two seasons. Notre Dame had the 33rd and 11th.

But keep up the Kelly bashing if that makes you happy.

We totally agree that Freeman is on the right trajectory. I don’t need to bash Kelly to get to that conclusion.

Just expressing my point of view, and while I'm no fan of Kelly I'm not specifically trying to bash him.

I just happen to think tracking the progress of Freeman vs his predecessors (including Davie 17-11, ty 17-11, Weis 19-9, and Kelly 18-10 at ND/20-8 at LSU) has value, especially with all the voices out there who were already calling for Freeman's head coming into this season. Since Kelly's first 28 games at LSU is the only comparison that is as good as Freeman at this point, it's the only one I thought worthy of mentioning.

However, the way I see it because of the narrative Kelly painted when he left here, the more stark the difference in success of MF here vs BK there, the better it is for Notre Dame.

I realize it's a fact they are both 20-8, that was the whole point of the post. The guy with 34 years experience who went to the place that would supposedly unbridle him, has the same record as the guy still learning on the job. Their trajectories appear to be going in different directions and I'm here for that.

There's a very real possibility that by the end of this season BK could be at 28-13 with MF at 31-10, with the gap continuing to grow after that.

If that happens, it won't be Chrisb talking about this, it will be the national media and I'm here for that as well.

I'm not. Losing to Marshall and Stanford were and remain inexcusable.

MF is trending up though. BK, not even close.