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Good article by Driskell about qb issues

Author: irish93 (1771 Posts - Joined: Nov 1, 2009)

Posted at 7:54 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Link: https://athlonsports.com/college/notre-dame-fighting-irish/irish-breakdown/football/notre-dame-quarterback-problems-go-far-far-deeper-than-riley-leonard

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I don't agree with this assessment

Author: MarkHarman (7287 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:56 am on Sep 9, 2024
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Not one QB he mentioned had the ability to play at a really high level.

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So was Leonard throwing that late interception...a ball thrown way short...

Author: SanJoseCAFan (1550 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:43 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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....an example of the ND system not getting it right...or Leonard being Leonard and just making a horrible throw?

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Both. The article implies that ND's offensive philosophy hamstrings their QBs and prevents them from

Author: NDQuebec (2118 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:00 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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playing to their strengths. Thus the lousy game from RL.

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I agree with that accessment.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25827 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:13 am on Sep 9, 2024
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The one constant through multiple QB's and offensive coordinators, and the maddening inconsistentcy they all have shown, is Marcus Freeman.

He's the problem.


Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
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Leonard had been having issues all night, and seemed dinged up

Author: wrdomerson (2265 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Although I didn't hate the call, and Mitchell was open, a solid throw is 6 points there, your job is to put the players in a position to succeed. Asking Leonard to make that play at that point in time was not a good idea, in my opinion.

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Running QBs are dinged up. That's a problem

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:55 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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You could see he was hurting after that first drive. Yeah, he got it in the end zone but he was

Author: THEISMANCARR (17217 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 8:14 am on Sep 9, 2024
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beaten up badly during that drive. QB runs have to be used sparingly, they are big difference makers when successful because the damage done by them is usually bailing the team out with a key first down or when they scramble and somebody breaks open downfield. The interception throw he made was ridiculous, all he had to do was air it out where only his man could get it. Our guy was beyond the defender. Also, the throw I wish he would have made in that situation was the in between throw to a guy about 15-20 yards downfield that was wide open. There was no need for us to score early on that drive. He got greedy.

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Can’t blame deuce for jumping to another school. Trick is to keep

Author: ndphysics (3936 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 8:21 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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The ones we have on our roster and let them play ball.

this article suggests we win on defense by giving up less points than we score not tying to score more than the other team.

Leonard is not accurate enough though

That is not the same thing


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You can tell he was on the Leonard bandwagon. He's right and wrong at the same time. Yes, it is a

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 8:15 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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systemic issue at QB, but yes it is also Leonard's fault as well. He's just not a good QB.

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Totally agree with this. However, I really like the part where he

Author: NDQuebec (2118 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 8:48 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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exposes the major problem in Freeman's offensive philosophy. Breath of fresh air, especially coming from someone who really believed in Freeman.

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The only problem in letting Riley be Riley are those errant downfield chucks for Ints. He’s not an

Author: Frank L (64748 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 8:21 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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accurate passer and it all goes back to that. D’s don’t respect his vertical game. I don’t understand though why they didn’t let him do more with his legs in that game.

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First drive was excellent. They called QB runs for him

Author: NDNEIL (7423 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:39 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Then it all went away. Didn’t make sense.

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IMO, you can't make that the focus of yr offense, and its awful hard on QB s to run them

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:52 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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that much

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Bullshit, running QB's went out with the wishbone. They have to be able to pass, or

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:35 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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they don't play, end of discussion. Name a running QB who carries a team, even Navy qbs are half ass passers

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I don't think so much running QBs but today's QB has to be able to make plays with his legs also.

Author: THEISMANCARR (17217 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 12:12 am on Sep 10, 2024
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Clemson never would have beaten Alabama without Watson or Sunshine being able to make plays with their legs too. The only way to beat the total physical dominance of teams like, Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State is to have a QB who can pass but also make key plays with his legs, even if it is only escaping for 7 yards to get critical third down conversions. Beating teams like NIU, Marshall and Stanford in 2022 though should never be a problem. A letdown can be expected now and then but not a complete emotional collapse and not believing in yourself that you will be able to come back and win somehow. A good team still wins some ugly games.

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Tommy Frazier was the last good one.

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 8:42 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Yup, and he was option QB who would never play today. He was a beast as a runner, but

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:46 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Couldn't hit a wall from inside as a passer

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He’s right. Good article.

Author: LanceManion (7958 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:12 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Top QBs are not typically “game managers”.

Author: Hensou (8168 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 8:38 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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They have a killer instinct that neither Freeman nor Leonard possess.

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You got it.

Author: LanceManion (7958 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 9:11 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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This ^^^^^ too!

Author: NDQuebec (2118 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 9:03 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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This^^^^^

Author: ColeyO (12511 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:53 pm on Sep 8, 2024
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