Overlooked: Give Leonard some credit for deep ball accuracy yesterday
Aside from the perfect 38-yard TD pass, there were two more deep balls (maybe three) that were on the money but were flagged for pass interference by Miami, so both would have been completed if no penalty.
Yes, he still had issues with a few shorter passes, and I agree he's not going to improve greatly at this stage of his career. But maybe he's not as bad at long passing as that NIU interception. We can only hope.
Replies to: Overlooked: Give Leonard some credit for deep ball accuracy yesterday
ND has better QBs than the one who is starting
All 3 are better passers.
And a number of ND's RBs are better runners.
The people that have seen practices disagree with you
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Really? You mean Leonard makes the throws in practice? Doubt it.
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Reminder. Practices aren't games. Otherwise Jimmy Clausen would have been all world.
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Re: Reminder. Practices aren't games. Otherwise Jimmy Clausen would have been all world.
He’s still 2nd in yardage and third in TD’s. Are you implying he wasn’t good? Strange take. I will agree he probably looked unbeatable in practice tho because he was going against some of he worst ND defenses of the century.
Oldirish has posted some great stats regarding our QB situation.
Plus, I believe what I am seeing during the games.
The bottom line, ND should replace its starting QB.
He should be pulled if necessary if we stall, however stats often lie and would not rely on stats.
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Re: Oldirish has posted some great stats regarding our QB situation.
What youve seen is a very small sample against bad competition. Angeli has an incredibly high rate of sacks and I’m convinced this Oline is being protected by Leonard’s running ability. The running game on plays other than read options or plays without any threat if QB runs is pretty bad.
Can you share this sack rate stat? Looking at QBR Angeli is consistently in the 90s...
Yes in mostly backup duty, except Oregon State (96 QBR). So, you are telling me that an Oregon St. D is worse than a MAC team? The only other times he played meaningful minutes were against ACC schools, RL and Hartman's old stomping grounds.
Additionally, QBR accounts for escapability, sacks, negative QB plays, etc. Situational context is probably a pretty telling component in the algo. That's been RL and Hartman's Achilles heel.
I don't expect Angeli always to be this high and agree backup time has some to do with it, but when given more than handoff duty he's outperformed expectations and those sitting ahead of him. Statistically and eye test, it's just hard to argue.
QBR Details:
The Total Quarterback Rating (QBR) is a metric that calculates a quarterback's performance in a game by considering many factors, including:
Passing: The number of completions, attempts, passing yards, and touchdowns
Rushing: The number of designed runs and scrambles
Sacks and fumbles: The number of sacks and fumbles a quarterback has
Penalties: The number of penalties a quarterback has
Turnovers: The number of turnovers a quarterback has
Situational context: The down and distance, score differential, and starting field position
Opponent strength: The strength of the opposing defense
QBR also uses a dynamic statistic called "expected points added" (EPA) to adjust for situational context. Plays that increase the likelihood of a team scoring receive positive points, while plays that decrease the likelihood receive negative points.
QBR is a proprietary statistic developed by ESPN in 2011. It's calculated on a scale of 0 to 100, with 50 representing an average performance. A score above 75 is typically considered excellent, while a score below 25 indicates a subpar performance.
Can you share the qb stats from the practices you've attended?
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Imagine there is a scoreboard and I’m pointing to it… NIU… that was a game. Wish it was practice.
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And if they put in Angeli with the ball and the lead and he throws the pick. What would you be
saying? You would second guess it like you do everything ND related. If only we had you as our coach, we would never lose another game.
You need to stay in yr lane. oldirish know s more about football than most on
this board. Listen and learn
Thank you sir! Appreciate it.
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You were right to call me out because my comment was personal! I should not have made it!
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Our luck with portal QBs has been pretty dismal. IMO, Coan was the best of the lot. Who
is responsible for the evaluations?
This is the luck of 85%+ of teams going to the portal for a QB. It's not as shiny as it seems.
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I have no confidence in him when he is in a long yardage passing situation. I wish I did
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If he could reliably complete a 15-20 yard pass downfield and...
...read receiver progressions beyond WR1 and occasionally WR2, I'd actually be OK with his being the QB.
As it stands (and as his limits are painfully evident), he's not going to reach that level. You're entirely right, that if we needed to grab 20 yards at a time, we're in a no-win situation.
He's not seeing WR's break open, and even when he does, it's more often than not, that the pass won't be caught by the receiver because it's under/over/badly thrown. The long pass to Beaux Collins was more of an abnormality.
If he can prove me dead wrong, I'll be happy to eat roasted crow.
Not sure the passes flagged for PI were on the money. Still, to be excited for his first downfield
Completion in four games proves how far standards have fallen.
The ball was under thrown on those PI penalties. Receivers were reaching back to catch the pass.
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Not the Mitch Evans ball.
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That was under a 20 yd. pass.
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