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Anyone thinking a run only QB can win a game needs to watch the last 5 minutes of AL vs. UGA last

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 11:05 am on Sep 29, 2024
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night.

Passing, deep bombs, deep routes and the ability to find the open WR is the only way to win big games or a championship in CFB today.

Sorry, Defense is extremely important. It helps, but it no longer wins championships.


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DeShawn Watson and Trevor Lawrence both beat Alabama because they made a ton of plays with their

Author: THEISMANCARR (17205 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 12:57 pm on Sep 30, 2024
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legs. When you have that ability it opens the passing game up. Watson was a pretty good passer but his arm strength exceeded his accuracy. Lawrence had both but the reason they beat Alabama was not strictly because of long bombs. Sure it would be helpful to have both, a dynamic passing game with arm strength to complete long bombs but in those cases, their ability to make plays with their legs turned out to be the backbreaking plays that broke down Alabama's other wise advantageous personnel. It also opened up the passing game and promoted easier passing lanes and did not require dead accurate passes.

We have Leonard who is more of a bonafide running threat with his arm strength being adequate but his accuracy being inconsistent. If he improves and he did against Louisville, (until the coaches took their foot off the pedal), he could do the job. It takes a lot of luck and unfortunately we are decimated by injuries. I do like the looks of our younger players and the kid that replaced Bothello looks like he could be a huge difference maker if he can now overcome what looks to be a bad knee injury maybe not this year but next year.

I still think Leonard gives us our best chance to win the rest of our games this year.


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*ONLY*. I've adovated for mobile QBs for years. You can't win without them these days, but they

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 9:39 pm on Sep 30, 2024
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can't be run only / one-dimensional. Just like you can have statues like Peyton Manning anymore either.

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Nobody thinks that

Author: Nigel Tufnel (8035 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:33 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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You are arguing with yourself.

'I define fear as standing across from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early.' - Max Baer
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Nope. Most were were gloating over RL and some still okay with him.

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 9:42 pm on Sep 30, 2024
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You don't know that the coaches aren't bringing along another qb (like Carr), but he isn't quite

Author: michiganirish (1360 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 2:08 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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ready. You assume you see the passing struggles Leonard has had, but the coaches do not. You don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Leonard may be the best option at this time (if the goal is still to win a championship). If we put in Angeli, Carr or Minchey and lose a few games, we are writing off this year's goal. If we can continue to win with Leonard and bring in a Carr when he is ready, our goal for this year is still possible and we possibly have a more dynamic offense in time for a playoff run.

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Based on the false assumption (real successful game minutes) that Angeli can’t pass. Oh my. How did

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 4:55 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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You come up with this?

Yes, I agree Carr could possibly not be ready.

Angeli HAS proven to be at least as capable as Leonard. I would wager a lot better.


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I like Angeli in that he knows how to play the QB position as it is generally defined or expected,

Author: THEISMANCARR (17205 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 1:02 pm on Sep 30, 2024
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however he does not gives us the best chance to win the big games in the playoffs. He could if he develops a better feel for getting rid of the ball more timely. He needs more protection than Leonard which against the better teams could prove to be fatal if he does not develop a better feel for getting rid of the ball. I don't think he can move the chains as well against the better teams.

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I agree Angeli passes better at this point than Leonard, but with an inexperienced (and now beat up

Author: michiganirish (1360 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:11 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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o-line) Angeli's lack of mobility could be more one dimensional and more detrimental to the success of the offense. Again, you know better than the professionals who are with them every day.

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You are right. Oldirish probably didn’t attend practice.

Author: IrishFan82 (128 Posts - Joined: Nov 23, 2022)

Posted at 2:17 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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How dare he comment on things the public eyes HAVE seen.

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Oh yeah we know more than the coaches as does the public!!!

Author: THEISMANCARR (17205 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 1:04 pm on Sep 30, 2024
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No!

Author: IrishFan82 (128 Posts - Joined: Nov 23, 2022)

Posted at 1:19 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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Utah lost badly to a 2d rate team. They suck. Ole Miss lost. Lane is funny, but they lost anyway.

Author: ND521 (9413 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:46 am on Sep 29, 2024
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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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I’m confused. Is ND 0-5?

Author: IrishNC (239 Posts - Joined: Sep 9, 2020)

Posted at 11:13 am on Sep 29, 2024
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When a team is capable of losing to anyone, a mini-win streak is cold comfort

Author: humbaba (1207 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:57 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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welcome to the home of the chronic hand-wringers

Author: D2 (7655 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:13 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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Refer to…

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 12:54 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=6&msgid=569077

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We won. Yes we did. And likely to win quite a few more wins unless freeman having

Author: ndphysics (3933 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 11:38 am on Sep 29, 2024
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Another lapse or team not prepared.

But if u watch that Georgia and Alabama or Miami game , there is no way we could keep up with that not even remotely close.

Teams with good talent should win at least 10 games against our schedule this year.

Winning against the upper echelon with our offense is pure fantasy. This offense is an abomination. There are a few reasons for it but our coaching staff philosophy is the #1 reason and until that changes our recruiting won’t matter. U dont win college football games against high end teams with a ball control offense. We have seen that play out quite a few times in the recent past. You may win a 1st round game against a team with a weak offense.

I am not sure we even want a home playoff game. Our stadium and crowd does not create a home field advantage


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Apparently the crowd was loud yesterday. Brohm credited them for not being able to communicate with

Author: Frank L (64690 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 12:51 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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his offense with no TO’s.

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Serious question: What do you think 2024 ND's record would be against: TX, UGA, OSU, AL, TENN, OMISS

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 11:24 am on Sep 29, 2024
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MIA, ORE, PSU, UTAH?

10 games - what's your take?


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Our defense would keep us in those games but we would be more likely to beat them with Leonard than

Author: THEISMANCARR (17205 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 1:08 pm on Sep 30, 2024
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Angeli in my opinion. Angeli would get sacked way too often. Leonard, although our line is mediocre would possibly be able to overcome the fierce pass rush of those teams. Angeli might perform better against the mediocre teams.

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Who cares? STUPID question

Author: Jerseymick (5137 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 12:31 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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The inability to discuss fundamentals in the open is truly shocking.

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 12:55 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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What is shocking is how stupid your hypothetical question was

Author: Jerseymick (5137 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:07 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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Or possibly how totally unhinged you've become over a simple question.

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 11:09 am on Sep 30, 2024
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It’s nuts!

Author: IrishFan82 (128 Posts - Joined: Nov 23, 2022)

Posted at 1:21 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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Top 5 have separated. Next 5? 2 teams lost & Miami cheated to win vs unranked teams. Ducks look

Author: ND521 (9413 Posts - Joined: May 10, 2016)

Posted at 11:55 am on Sep 29, 2024
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uneven and PSU reminds me of ND, strong D, little O.

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God may not care who wins, but His mother does
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Re: Serious question: What do you think 2024 ND's record would be against: TX, UGA, OSU, AL, TENN, OMISS

Author: nd-usmc (55 Posts - Joined: Nov 23, 2022)

Posted at 11:55 am on Sep 29, 2024
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That's a ridiculous question because no one plays that schedule. No one believes ND is on the same level as Georgia, Alabama, OSU, Texas but why do so many fools on this site have to denigrate every game whether it's a 66-7 win against Purdue or a win against a very talented Louisville squad? And the bigger question is why would any kid want to play for such a unappreciative fan base? I'm sure there's plenty of room left on the Alabama bandwagon for the disgruntled ND "fans".

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Sigh… in order to compete for championships you have to actually understand and be able to play with

Author: oldirish (9329 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 12:51 pm on Sep 29, 2024
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Championship caliber teams.

Not sure why people come so unhinged with the idea of comparing yourself (honestly) with the thing you aspire to be.

Relatively to relevance matters.


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Re: Serious question: What do you think 2024 ND's record would be against: TX, UGA, OSU, AL, TENN, OMISS

Author: nd-usmc (55 Posts - Joined: Nov 23, 2022)

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