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I hope Riley is eating a good breakfast this morning.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25817 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:00 am on Oct 26, 2024
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ND can't afford any awe-shucks moments from that hay seed today.

Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability

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I read something freeman said about playing better in 2nd and 3rd quarter after slow start

Author: ndphysics (3931 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 6:29 am on Oct 26, 2024
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I wonder if the slow start has anything to do with wanting to see what the other team is doing offensively and defensively and and us having to adjust to it.

Freeman has also mentioned taking what the opposing defense gives us specifically about RL. It may be that we don’t really have a solid game plan and adjust based on what we see in game vs is deciding we are going to impose our will. I think Kelly used to do the same thing. Slow starts that sometimes lasted whole game see NIL and other slow starts that turned into bigger wins like GA Tech.

I have always thought there was an issue about preparation or being ‘ready to go’. After hearing his comments this year now I think we play more reacting football vs imposing our will. If so, I hate that idea. I can see adjusting if something surprises you but start with your strengths and go from there.

To me you make the other team stop u, not the other way around.


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Better to finish strong than start strong and blow your wad. But that didn't happen with NIU.

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:44 am on Oct 26, 2024
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They outplayed us wire to wire. I think that's the risk with coming out too flat.

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ND still had to actively try to lose that game…and they did…

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33496 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:17 am on Oct 26, 2024
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Freeman's reactive nature is why he's a mediocre HC.

Author: AlbanyIRISH (25817 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:43 am on Oct 26, 2024
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It's exactly why he will always lose clunkers like Marshall, Stanford, NIU, ect.

ND should come out today and run the ball down Navy's throat. They won't, at least not early, because of Freeman's reactionary philosophy.


Kind of reminds me of when Rocket Ismail played for Notre Dame
Invincibility with no vulnerability
Thread Level: 4

It's not that, it's his game decisions and not overriding play calling. The Ohio State game sticks

Author: THEISMANCARR (17203 Posts - Joined: Aug 10, 2007)

Posted at 11:58 am on Oct 26, 2024
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horribly in my mind. This also includes clock management decisions obviously.

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Truthfully, we don't know what the finished product of MF will be as a HC yet..

Author: Chrisb (16401 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:25 am on Oct 26, 2024
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Heck, we don't even know if we'll have the time with him to see it occur here.

He's 2.5 years into ever doing it and he started out on the biggest stage possible, while most of the coaches we all consider great were able to make the same mistakes he has on a much lower level where nobody remembers the growing pains.

To put MF present tenure as a HC into terms comparable to a child's development, he's currently at the point where he's learned to tie his shoes well enough that they actually stay tied long enough for him to get to school. However, once he makes it to recess and starts sprinting, there are some trip ups.

Don't take this as some shining endorsement or defense of MF, as I personally have lost confidence in him being the guy. But what if I'm wrong?

Any rational, logic based evaluation of MF at this point, that is not centered around "HE lost to NIU!" has to conclude its too early to tell.

This is part of why I'm so strongly opposed to the hiring of first time HCs at ND. Not because they are all going to be bad...every great HC was a first timer at some point. But again, most of them go through their learning curve out of the spotlight.

The problem is the complete unknown...you don't know if you have a guy who is total trash or a future great, or just some 'mehh'. With an experienced coach you've already seen that they can do the job of a HC and have a good basis for estimating how good they can be. Now it's just about seeing if they can do it good enough at your program.

This can make for a much quicker evaluation process, as a guy who already knows how to tie those shoes well enough to hold up under gassers and has some years of demonstrated experience to prove it, should be able to have success at a new stop in 3 years.

But when you take a complete shot in the dark hiring an unknown, is it fair in any way to expect them to be a finished product inside of 3 years? Nope! You're almost stuck giving them at least 5 years unless they completely bomb, and MF hasn't shown to this point that he's willing to let things spiral out of control like Davie, ty, or Weis...and even Kelly at times.

Kelly came in with 20 years HC experience and still had 9 different multiple game losing streaks in his first 7 years...Freeman lost his first 3 games as a HC and has not lost back to back games since.

Maybe...just maybe, the guy needs a little more time to develop before we make a final decision.


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He may be a really good coach 2 or 3 jobs from now. He will take lessons learned from ND to a

Author: Shadow_of_the_Dome (4618 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:28 am on Oct 26, 2024
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non-Power 5 school. Get better there, grow as a head coach and become successful. Next job after that will do really well at a Power 5 school.

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Your implying he ain’t gonna cut it here…that he has to take such

Author: WoodstockIrish (14683 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:41 am on Oct 26, 2024
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A major step down to non-Power 5? Even I have more faith in him than that!

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He's definitely not an impose your will kind of coach. His "Take what they give you" comment

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:45 am on Oct 26, 2024
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underscores that.

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Good coaches do take what the defense gives them. He has gone for it on fourth down to not give

Author: michiganirish (1360 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:20 am on Oct 26, 2024
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back the ball. That seems like imposing your will imo.

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I think it limited us under Kelly too. Explains all the horrible starts

Author: ndphysics (3931 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 8:23 am on Oct 26, 2024
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And lingering games we seem to pile up.

I like the old days like when Holtz had the o line and backs pummel LSU in the bowl game. Here it come, lets see u stop it. Not to say it has to be the run but whatever your strength is.

We don’t have a strength under freeman for Kelly.

Its like the patriots approach under bellichek, do what it takes to win. Not sure that translates to college ball.


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I disagree. I believe ND will run the ball early and until/if Navy can stop the run.

Author: michiganirish (1360 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:08 am on Oct 26, 2024
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Makes sense. Hit them with their own medicine. Run, run, run--then pass long.

Author: faircatchcorby (9808 Posts - Joined: Jan 26, 2011)

Posted at 9:58 am on Oct 26, 2024
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Kind of like shooting yourself in the foot to see how good the doctor is.

Author: whatsamataU (25140 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:42 am on Oct 26, 2024
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This team is so up & down, we have no idea what to expect. A&M or NIU.

Author: ELP (9578 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 8:29 am on Oct 26, 2024
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I can see Navy running Fullback, Fullback, QB keeper , Fullback, Option pitch, Fullback. Our Secondary creeps up more and more. Navy WR wide open for six and there are no defenders anywhere in sight. I can see Navy success running wide. Or, I can see our D completey shutting down the Navy "O". Maybe gashing our D for a play or two, but that's it. What Irish team will show?

Thread Level: 5

Unlike prior seasons, someone actually took the time to build a schedule this year to succeed.

Author: LanceManion (7940 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 8:49 am on Oct 26, 2024
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And we shit the bed with NIU. So that's unfortunate.

I don't think we'll lose the rest of the season given the fact that Army and Navy are our two remaining tough games, but I think we may have some close calls that could keep us out of the playoffs. Like NIU, if we have the close calls, better early in the final stretch than at the end.


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