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Maybe some day we will have a downfield passing game. One can hope.

Author: ndphysics (4069 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 8:48 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Was greathouse even targeted?


Pauling should have stayed at Wisconsin, 77 catches last year and didn’t even hear his name once Sunday. Our offense can be so puzzling


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Disagree with Pauling. According to a post above he had 21 snaps and Greathouse 39.

Author: NDQuebec (2148 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)

Posted at 12:18 pm on Sep 2, 2025
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I'm not sure Pauling was even targeted once. Maybe Greathouse once. It's a mystery why the slot receivers weren't targeted more. Not enough separation or game plan or whatever. Hard to criticize Pauling if he wasn't targeted. Same with Greathouse (here's hoping that we see the Greathouse we saw at the end of last year).

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Not criticizing at all, he wasn’t utilized. Not his fault

Author: ndphysics (4069 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 12:52 pm on Sep 2, 2025
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Weis had a downfield passing game, holtz not so much

Author: DonMiller (3108 Posts - Joined: Dec 20, 2016)

Posted at 11:41 am on Sep 2, 2025
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I think the passing game will be more dynamic moving forward

Author: NDNEIL (7441 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:37 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Again, I think the staff swung and missed big time with the game plan. I think they anticipated the defense being able to dominate Miami’s offense and that they could ease the QB in and put up enough points to win the game.

They were way off.

I don’t think Freeman allows that type of mentality moving forward.


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Greathouse was targeted

Author: wrdomerson (2310 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:35 am on Sep 2, 2025
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He was missed on an out route, and the ball that got batted down was supposed to go to him from what I heard, have not rewatched to confirm that.

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While I felt the game plan would be conservative, and it was, I also thought we would see more down

Author: jray (3392 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:27 am on Sep 2, 2025
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the field throws. Other than a busted play to the TE, ND didn't take any shots. We should be taking at least a couple deep shots every game to keep the opposing defense honest or to simply allow our receiver to make a play. Last year in the title game, Greathouse had a breakout game against arguably one of the best secondaries in the nation. His lack of involvement against Miami is really puzzling. I think Denbrock is a good, experienced coordinator. However, I would not put him in the "great" category. He had Jayden Daniels at QB and two stud receivers at LSU. All three were first round draft picks. He used that to springboard to a nice ND pay increase. I'm so frustrated and didn't expect to see what we witnessed against Miami. Yes, it's only one game against a good opponent. But the margin for error now gets real slim. Maybe I had too high of expectations. After last year's magical run, I really thought this program had turned the corner into a Saban-Esque type of team and program. It still may, but the Miami game was very disappointing to be me in nearly all facets and I feel like it was a step back some.

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Expected conservative. Not suicidally self defeating. Miami you go ahead we'll play the 2nd 1/2.

Author: DiscoRick (1540 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 11:33 am on Sep 2, 2025
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The offensive game plan looked eerily close to A&M in last years opener

Author: NDWisconsin (916 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:19 am on Sep 2, 2025
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A lot of short passes and bubble screens. I was worried that Carr couldn’t throw downfield. When Carr was allowed to throw more than 5 yards, he looked good. Hard to give him a grade because we didn’t attempt any deep passes.

I’m of the opinion that you have to experiment in order to realize success. Looking back against OSU, we waited too long to throw downfield. Teams will continue to load the box on us if we don’t stretch the opposing D vertically. Why not implement a more balanced passing attack? I’m not saying that Carr has to sling it 40-50 times, but our passing game scares no one because we refuse to challenged the defense.


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If you at least attempt to exploit the 1 high safety scheme

Author: DiscoRick (1540 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 11:26 am on Sep 2, 2025
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it's going to create underneath opportunities. It's like when teams play the Chiefs or the Lions. They try to keep everything underneath as they know they'll destroy them with chunk plays.

Denbrock instead throws into the most congested part of the field. Then tries to run into it. Never attempting to make them even think about defending vertically. Or creating underneath space. That's all despite the fact that they went into the portal to get WR's to seemingly stretch the field.

To run Denbrock's O we don't need more WR's , or any, we need a 250lb QB and 10 Olinemen. It's just freaking stupid.


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Denbrock runs the Kellyball offense.

Author: PaND (2816 Posts - Joined: Dec 4, 2022)

Posted at 11:29 am on Sep 2, 2025
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QB adlibbing makes it look better than it is.

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The QB situation at LSU made this system look unstoppable.

Author: ndphysics (4069 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 11:34 am on Sep 2, 2025
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That and trusting the QB to not utterly soil himself.

Author: DiscoRick (1540 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 11:36 am on Sep 2, 2025
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I believe a totally different ND team will show up in 2 weeks.

Author: faircatchcorby (9894 Posts - Joined: Jan 26, 2011)

Posted at 10:21 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Fixing a problem after it happens is easy. Fixing it before it happens is a skill.

Author: ndphysics (4069 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 10:55 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Hope we can afford the NIL for THAT team...

Author: TakethetrainKnute (33734 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 10:50 am on Sep 2, 2025
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When we do, we'll likely discover why our run game doesn't work.

Author: DiscoRick (1540 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 8:57 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Exactly. Running an offense where u let a team keep so many defenders

Author: ndphysics (4069 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 10:14 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Close to the line and box creates the issues we have.

All because u don’t want to risk throwing the ball down field. Then the excuse is poor execution. Sound familiar?


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Kinda why it's harder to score in the red zone. We need someone to point this out to Denbrock.

Author: DiscoRick (1540 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 11:18 am on Sep 2, 2025
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Author: DiscoRick (1540 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 9:46 am on Sep 2, 2025
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