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Did anybody even remotely think this D would be this bad? Or even close to this bad?

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 4:45 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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With all the guys coming back, and the young talent I thought they'd be better. Shows what I know.

Seems like a colossal F up occurred.


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Thread Level: 2

No, I think we were all hopeful.

Author: sweetbobbyg (204 Posts - Joined: Oct 30, 2022)

Posted at 12:32 am on Sep 18, 2025
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But this has been a bumpy ride.

On FNS (football never sleeps) both said if we still had Golden as DC we’d likely be 2-0 (for the record, it’s an awesome question one we all ask ourselves as we lie awake at night, but no one knows for sure)

What we do know is that when Golden was here we had an elite defense.

It is my hope that maybe ND can try to get Golden to return somehow.

I do think this in today’s college football coordinators are more important than ever. With recruiting, portal, NIL, media commitments, the HC has a ton on his plate.

Also, might I add, you probably want to hire someone who’s doing the job you are trying to fill, aka coaching at XYZ U or NFL team.

Also, I add that at a place like ND, or other big programs, if you have someone who’s got it rolling like Golden, do everything you can to keep them, my guess is they tried, but he wanted a new challenge.

Just my 2 cents, as always I could be wrong 🍀🍀🍀


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I expected a slight drop off given the players we lost and scheme change

Author: NDWisconsin (948 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:59 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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But this is a total collapse of standard of play. I think we were helped by the pressure we could put on teams with our linebackers and interior linemen last year. Ash’s scheme relies on putting pressure with front 4 which we already knew we were lacking experience and talent.

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Right, the fundamentals are even piss poor. Never mind the scheme and play calling.

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 7:53 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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I thought there would be some backsliding and slippage due to transition, but this is unprecedented.

Author: LanceManion (8574 Posts - Joined: Jul 16, 2010)

Posted at 6:58 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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A top 10 D shouldn't slip to bottom quartile unless you put 18 guys in the NFL OR your new DC is a complete incompetent.

Imposing corporate abuse, neglect and greed on deserving victims.
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Yeah, a transition period maybe then get better.

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 7:50 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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Not a complete dumpster fire.

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Not by the reports we were getting out of Fall camp.

Author: ELP (10027 Posts - Joined: Oct 18, 2020)

Posted at 6:43 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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Outside of injury, does anything negative ever come out of Fall came? That's the downside of eternal

Author: oldirish (9407 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2011)

Posted at 8:03 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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optimism. When it's really a bad situation, you get blindsided.

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Right? You wonder if they accidentally strolled into another teams practice.

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 7:49 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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I was surprised by the Ash hiring simply because he wasn’t working as a DC anywhere. That said, I

Author: jray (3435 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:01 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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never thought the defense could suck this bad with everyone back and all the reports of this team being the deepest talent wise in quite a real long time. I feel like it’s mid September and the season is already over. It’s very frustrating. While I think they are capable of running the table, I just don’t see it happening this year. I hope I’m wrong.

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Yep, I hear ya

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 7:51 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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No way in hell Ash could f$%^ it up in one offseason.

Author: Clem (2014 Posts - Joined: Sep 17, 2016)

Posted at 5:43 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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With MF, Mickens, Bullough and Washington still on staff I figured it would be a year before we saw a decline.

BVG would be proud.


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It's like he had a plan to destroy it.

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 7:52 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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hell no. capital HELL NO

Author: KWIRISH (2092 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:38 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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It seemed impossible.

Author: DiscoRick (1704 Posts - Joined: Sep 15, 2021)

Posted at 7:53 pm on Sep 17, 2025
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