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Spare me about "Miami beat ND head to head." Home field is worth 3 points

Author: MarkHarman (7600 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:48 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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according to Jeff Sagarin's analysis and this sounds about right. Which means on a neutral field ND and Miami theoretically would be a toss up. Therefore, you have to use other metrics. Or am I just being a Notre Dame homer?

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Thread Level: 2

Miami's big gripe should be not getting in the ACC title game

Author: jrdjr84 (1178 Posts - Joined: Jan 14, 2014)

Posted at 4:24 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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The conference had plenty of time to fix the problem and did squat. Surely they could have argued that the tiebreakers in place were antiquated and needed to be adjusted for the 12 team CFP, but no

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It's not just that. It was the first game of the year. There is no film on the other team.

Author: lacan (1554 Posts - Joined: Apr 24, 2015)

Posted at 4:05 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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You think ND would've let Miami's ends reek havoc if they had film on them? Even with respect to their own team, coaches think they've determined their best lineups, but they don't know until they play games. Have you heard much from the head-to-headers about the previously frequent truth that teams make their biggest leap between games 1 and 2? I haven't either.

The Committee is supposedly not to discourage teams from scheduling hard opponents at the beginning of the season, and now the claim is that this game should be decisive in determining which is the better team months later? If ND knew that, you think the coaches would have had such a cautious game plan?

This is nothing but a retrospective re-engineering of the significance of the game.


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Wasn’t it the first game for both teams?

Author: WoodstockIrish (15066 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:33 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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This bullshit keeps getting deeper.

We lost. BYU has lost and hopefully ‘Bama will lose and we’re in. Stop with the inane bullshit.


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Yes. Now figure out why that doesn't help you.

Author: lacan (1554 Posts - Joined: Apr 24, 2015)

Posted at 6:11 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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In 1993 ND beat FSU head-to-head. But the Irish had a worse loss, so FSU was national champs.

Author: Chris94 (37780 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 3:52 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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That's the thing, they only hold H2H dear to heart when it hurts ND, if it helps ND not so much.

Author: Chrisb (16581 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 4:02 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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"Shit! We suck again." -anonymous
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Chris, you’re better than that

Author: WoodstockIrish (15066 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 5:34 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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We disagree but that’s ok…

Author: WoodstockIrish (15066 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:20 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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I can give specific examples when national media went counter to H2H when it favored ND...

Author: Chrisb (16581 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 8:36 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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but we're ALL IN on H2H when it didn't favor ND.

Can you give examples of the opposite?


"Shit! We suck again." -anonymous
Thread Level: 5

I am not better than telling the truth.

Author: Chrisb (16581 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Dec 6, 2025
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"Shit! We suck again." -anonymous

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