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Those are fair points and I posted the article after reading it...and you are right to use the word

Author: TyroneIrish (20694 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 1:46 pm on Sep 30, 2022
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"Context"...mine is much larger than "Lithium" alone. We are faced with compelling, to say the least, challenges...

1) our accessible Fossil Fuels are definitely "Finite" and will not sustain us for another 7 generations...as BP and the EIA have already documented, the world has less than 50 years of proven reserves left...and getting substantially larger amounts from Un-proven reserves is definitely not a given, nor "Economical"...note: the U.S. has only 5 years of Proven reserves left.

2) The 'Climate Change Process' is accepted by every responsible scientist...the only issue is 'How Long' will it take before catastrophic changes are noticeable to all. Given that no sane person would fail to take action before such an outcome, it is wise to get going on remedies now, and one of them is the use of Lithium-Ion batteries.

Fortunately, the estimated quantities of Lithium needed are 'available', some harder to reach than others, but the hope is that in the same way we used ingenuity to develop "Fracking" for oil/gas, we'll do similar things to access sufficient quantities of that mineral.

Personally, I am not an advocate of heavy reliance on Lithium for "Grid Level" energy storage...the example I use is the UK in May/June of 2018...the island suffered 13 straight days of no wind...if they relied solely on Wind Power, at today's cost of Li-Ion battery storage for backup, it would have cost well over $1.2T...,moreover, the batteries only last ~15 years, so that expense would need to be repeated over and over again...assuming 13 days 'becalmed' was the longest period, and not followed shortly by another calm period of any duration...you get the picture.

This is not to say that we give up on Lithium batteries...the amounts we believe are available far exceed that required for cars and trucks...that's good enough for me...

btw, I'll 'Hawk' David JC MacKay's book again...Google "Sustainable Energy...Without the Hot Air"...I know a discerning person like yourself would appreciate it.


Replies to: "Those are fair points and I posted the article after reading it...and you are right to use the word"

  • Vote Democrat if you treasure Planet Earth. [NT] [LINK] - conorlarkin - 8:17pm 9/29/22 (20) [View All]
    • Vote Democrat if you're not an inbred racist moron traitor. [NT] - NocalIrish - 12:59am 9/30/22
    • Thank God for Joe Biden and the Democrats. [NT] - NocalIrish - 12:59am 9/30/22
    • Vote repuplican if you plan on eating [NT] - Hank the Tank - 10:56pm 9/29/22
      • LOL Good one. [NT] - ELP - 12:21am 9/30/22
    • And Dem chicks put out! Hubba hubba! [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 10:08pm 9/29/22
    • You people are complete fools. Hurricanes will happen whether humans are around or not. - ELP - 10:03pm 9/29/22
    • Washington Compost, posted by the worst defense lawyer in the history of the world. [NT] - Cole - 8:46pm 9/29/22
    • Im sure if we all drive electric cars hurricanes will stop. 0 for 41 [NT] [LINK] - MuskyTommy - 8:32pm 9/29/22
      • Still waiting for them to tell me where all that strip mining for battery materials will be. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:16pm 9/29/22
        • Ned, your memory is fading...we discussed this on Sept. 12th and I gave you the attached link... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 9:44pm 9/29/22
          • Thanks. I remember correctly. Your link specifically says my question has not been answered. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:18pm 9/29/22
            • The article talks about the #1 and #3 largest sources of Lithium...you didn't read it, did you...it - TyroneIrish - 11:55pm 9/29/22
              • Will any strip mining be done in North America? Will that be allowed by Greens? - NedoftheHill - 9:39am 9/30/22
              • "discusses the challenges needed for cost-effective mining and processing" - wrdomerson - 9:06am 9/30/22
                • Those are fair points and I posted the article after reading it...and you are right to use the word - TyroneIrish - 1:46pm 9/30/22
          • you didn't know that until read it. Obviously. you believe what the man says - Hank the Tank - 11:18pm 9/29/22
            • It's "He and She" who wrote it...and you haven't read it either...but, here's another source that [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 12:02am 9/30/22
          • Battery Bits? WTF? [NT] - Stark Raving Dad - 9:52pm 9/29/22
        • Good luck. Im still waiting for them to tell me if Joe is doing such a great job why does the last - MuskyTommy - 9:43pm 9/29/22
    • Vote GOP if you love freedom for all humans on earth. - NedoftheHill - 8:27pm 9/29/22
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