I agree with Donna De Varona's perspective on this issue...not just for swimming, but all sports

TyroneIrish 25731 posts Joined: Oct 8, 2020

Posted 5:21 pm on Apr 15, 2024

women compete in...as she says...‘It’s Complicated and People Don’t Like Complicated’...e.g. it's not enough to reduce one's testosterone level...in swimming for example, if the trans person has already benefitted from a puberty growth spurt in size and muscle, they have an advantage, so 'Timing' matters...and one blanket ruling does not cover all competitors.

None of this, btw, is any justification for marginalizing and ignoring the genuine needs of trans persons...Donna agrees with this as well.

Link: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/donna-de-varona-transgender-swimming-dialogue-must-continue-its-complicated-and-people-dont-like-complicated/

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I agree with Donna De Varona's perspective on this issue...not just for swimming, but all sportsLink TyroneIrish 5:21pm · 4/15/24
- Except it's not actually complicated: compete as the sex assigned at birth. iairishcheeks 7:21pm · 4/15/24
  - He believes that a man in a dress is a woman.NT PaND 7:37pm · 4/15/24
  - Read more...especially what Donna De Varona has to say about this... TyroneIrish 7:29pm · 4/15/24
    - Why do you keep repeating this? De Varona says it's "nuanced" and "complicated"... TakethetrainKnute 8:30pm · 4/15/24
      - It's okay to read what others have to say...it's call "Critical Thinking"...don't be afraid to be TyroneIrish 9:26pm · 4/15/24
        
        We have the Special Olympics, we can have the Trans Olympics as well (dominated by men). iairishcheeks 9:49pm · 4/15/24
        
        Can people who erroneously but strongly believe they're handicapped compete in the Special Olympics?NT TakethetrainKnute 10:52pm · 4/15/24
        
        I agree with Ms De Varona's position...read what she has to say...and she definitely is not TyroneIrish 10:20pm · 4/15/24
        
        This is not even what's good for trans people, that's the pathological aspect. iairishcheeks 5:12am · 4/16/24
        
        Can you be a bit more vague?...how about citing Ms De Varona's statements and commenting on them.NT TyroneIrish 3:17pm · 4/16/24
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        Nonsensical response per usual. "Trans people are people". I addressed what De Varona had to say TakethetrainKnute 9:47pm · 4/15/24
        
        This is beginning to get exasperating...Ms De Varona...AND myself...agree that allowing ALL Trans TyroneIrish 9:57pm · 4/15/24
        
        Beginning? Among other things you are misrepresenting Ms. de Varona's position as it would relate TakethetrainKnute 10:20pm · 4/15/24
        
        You're not 'listening'...i've said repeatedly that I agree with Ms De Varona's position...which you TyroneIrish 11:14pm · 4/15/24
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        It's only complicated because you're making it complicated. iairishcheeks 10:01pm · 4/15/24
        
        Here's an overview of some of the research that has been conducted wrt Gender Dysphoria...Link TyroneIrish 10:59pm · 4/15/24
        
        You're ignoring a great deal of research that forms the basis for the current diagnosis and TyroneIrish 10:10pm · 4/15/24
    - No thanks, I believe in science.NT iairishcheeks 7:32pm · 4/15/24
      - Then you'll appreciate the opinion of true scientific professionals on this issue Link TyroneIrish 7:44pm · 4/15/24
        
        Does this have something at all to do with competitive fairness? You, of course, know the answer.NT TakethetrainKnute 8:03pm · 4/15/24
        
        That is the point. There is a clear biological advantage. Frank L 8:23pm · 4/15/24
- If someone tells you they can see with their ears and hear with their eyes is that mental illness? Curly1918 6:18pm · 4/15/24
  - The same professionals who treated you have developed protocols for Gender Dysphoria... TyroneIrish 7:32pm · 4/15/24
    - The modern psychiatric industry is in denial of the etiology of mental illness. Curly1918 8:29pm · 4/15/24
      - Why should anyone take your opinion, as opposed to dedicated and caring professionals?NT TyroneIrish 10:05pm · 4/15/24
- Have you, personally, ever competed at anything at a high level? Hensou 5:33pm · 4/15/24
  - I'm sure jimbasil has an opening as relief ColeyO 5:59pm · 4/15/24
  - Stick to the issue...read what Donna De Varona has to say about it...in essence, she's advocating Link TyroneIrish 5:48pm · 4/15/24
    - Stick to the issue? The issue is whether biological males should compete in women's Track and Field Hensou 6:14pm · 4/15/24
      - It's not about me...it's about Trans Athletes...read what Donna De Varona has to say...as well as TyroneIrish 7:35pm · 4/15/24
        
        The psychological issue does not remove the biological advantage,NT Hensou 7:44pm · 4/15/24
        
        Once more...read what she has to say...you'll learn stuff you currently are unaware of... TyroneIrish 10:17pm · 4/15/24
        
        I have read it you condescending fool. She refutes nothing I said.NT Hensou 11:39pm · 4/15/24
        
        She...and I...agree that without much better screening, Trans athletes should not be competing with TyroneIrish 3:25am · 4/16/24
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