women compete in...as she says...‘It’s Complicated and People Don’t Like Complicated’...e.g. it's not enough to reduce one's testosterone level...in swimming for example, if the trans person has already benefitted from a puberty growth spurt in size and muscle, they have an advantage, so 'Timing' matters...and one blanket ruling does not cover all competitors.
None of this, btw, is any justification for marginalizing and ignoring the genuine needs of trans persons...Donna agrees with this as well.
Link: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/donna-de-varona-transgender-swimming-dialogue-must-continue-its-complicated-and-people-dont-like-complicated/
I agree with Donna De Varona's perspective on this issue...not just for swimming, but all sports
Replies to: "I agree with Donna De Varona's perspective on this issue...not just for swimming, but all sports"
- Can someone offer a defense for THIS? [LINK]
- Curly1918 - 12:59pm 4/15/24
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- Yeah, I consider this akin to doping in athletics. Should not be allowed. [NT] - Hibakusha - 10:23am 4/16/24
- Chris, Frank and Domer endorse this. [NT]
- WestCoastIrishFan - 2:49pm 4/15/24
- Endorse what? Trans athletes with a biological advantage participating in women’s events? - Frank L - 3:58pm 4/15/24
- you have no issue calling anyone that voted for Trump a cultist. Since you voted for Biden, I get - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:56pm 4/15/24
- I never said anyone that has voted for Orange is a cultist. - Frank L - 6:19pm 4/15/24
- I will say this... - NedoftheHill - 8:20pm 4/15/24
- "Kids" don't get Gender Surgery...they get reversible puberty blockers...IF deemed appropriate...as [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:15pm 4/15/24
- Very well said - WoodstockIrish - 10:31pm 4/15/24
- Agreed. Easy call. (It's an "easy call" b/c of the Left, but they don't see they're doing it to... - NedoftheHill - 11:18pm 4/15/24
- See I think it’s an easy call the other way. Orange is completely unfit morally, temperament wise, - Frank L - 11:29pm 4/15/24
- Body of work - WoodstockIrish - 7:52am 4/16/24
- You need to watch the State of the Union speech…JB’s ad hoc jousting - TyroneIrish - 10:08am 4/16/24
- I think the GOP and the DNC are driving the Ford Constitution towards the cliff. - NedoftheHill - 11:47pm 4/15/24
- A multitude of former Cabinet members, Aides and Congressional Leaders saw DJT perform already.... - TyroneIrish - 12:17am 4/16/24
- Body of work - WoodstockIrish - 7:52am 4/16/24
- See I think it’s an easy call the other way. Orange is completely unfit morally, temperament wise, - Frank L - 11:29pm 4/15/24
- Agreed. Easy call. (It's an "easy call" b/c of the Left, but they don't see they're doing it to... - NedoftheHill - 11:18pm 4/15/24
- I have more than a few friends that feel the same way which is why I don’t lump all into that - Frank L - 8:32pm 4/15/24
- I will say this... - NedoftheHill - 8:20pm 4/15/24
- I never said anyone that has voted for Orange is a cultist. - Frank L - 6:19pm 4/15/24
- What’s the term?…oh yeah, he ain’t a bag of brains. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 4:18pm 4/15/24
- you have no issue calling anyone that voted for Trump a cultist. Since you voted for Biden, I get - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:56pm 4/15/24
- Endorse what? Trans athletes with a biological advantage participating in women’s events? - Frank L - 3:58pm 4/15/24
- Why is it not empathy to encourage these people to seek help instead of acting out? - Curly1918 - 2:14pm 4/15/24
- Because the Alphabet Mafia has aggressively claimed them as part of their "community." - jakers - 3:52pm 4/15/24
- This actually makes perfect sense. They are all this way for the same reason. [NT] - Curly1918 - 4:24pm 4/15/24
- They are all insane in need of treatment. [NT]
- PaND - 2:29pm 4/15/24
- And the Left denies that treatment. Shameful. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:34pm 4/15/24
- It is, the people who defend this crap have a lot of blame here also. [NT] - PaND - 2:35pm 4/15/24
- And the Left denies that treatment. Shameful. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:34pm 4/15/24
- Because the Alphabet Mafia has aggressively claimed them as part of their "community." - jakers - 3:52pm 4/15/24
- Perverted? [NT] - ColeyO - 1:49pm 4/15/24
- Nope. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:35pm 4/15/24
- I cannot.Some of the worst running form I have ever seen, but they still won. [NT]
- LanceManion - 1:22pm 4/15/24
- They lost. He won. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:32pm 4/15/24
- In this case, he is "they" and the women are the "she." [NT]
- LanceManion - 3:25pm 4/15/24
- Makes perfect sense...to any person who has difficulty perceiving reality. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 3:27pm 4/15/24
- This is true. [NT] - LanceManion - 4:28pm 4/15/24
- Makes perfect sense...to any person who has difficulty perceiving reality. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 3:27pm 4/15/24
- In this case, he is "they" and the women are the "she." [NT]
- LanceManion - 3:25pm 4/15/24
- They lost. He won. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:32pm 4/15/24
- I agree with Donna De Varona's perspective on this issue...not just for swimming, but all sports [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 1:21pm 4/15/24
- Except it's not actually complicated: compete as the sex assigned at birth. - iairishcheeks - 3:21pm 4/15/24
- He believes that a man in a dress is a woman. [NT] - PaND - 3:37pm 4/15/24
- Read more...especially what Donna De Varona has to say about this... - TyroneIrish - 3:29pm 4/15/24
- Why do you keep repeating this? De Varona says it's "nuanced" and "complicated"... - TakethetrainKnute - 4:30pm 4/15/24
- It's okay to read what others have to say...it's call "Critical Thinking"...don't be afraid to be - TyroneIrish - 5:26pm 4/15/24
- We have the Special Olympics, we can have the Trans Olympics as well (dominated by men). - iairishcheeks - 5:49pm 4/15/24
- Can people who erroneously but strongly believe they're handicapped compete in the Special Olympics? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 6:52pm 4/15/24
- I agree with Ms De Varona's position...read what she has to say...and she definitely is not - TyroneIrish - 6:20pm 4/15/24
- This is not even what's good for trans people, that's the pathological aspect. - iairishcheeks - 1:12am 4/16/24
- Can you be a bit more vague?...how about citing Ms De Varona's statements and commenting on them. [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 11:17am 4/16/24
- How about some critical thinking on your part. - iairishcheeks - 1:06pm 4/16/24
- Any hatred is due to a lack of understanding and empathy...read more about the causes of GD - TyroneIrish - 7:42pm 4/16/24
- You're literally too stupid to argue with. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:11pm 4/16/24
- Any hatred is due to a lack of understanding and empathy...read more about the causes of GD - TyroneIrish - 7:42pm 4/16/24
- How about some critical thinking on your part. - iairishcheeks - 1:06pm 4/16/24
- Can you be a bit more vague?...how about citing Ms De Varona's statements and commenting on them. [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 11:17am 4/16/24
- This is not even what's good for trans people, that's the pathological aspect. - iairishcheeks - 1:12am 4/16/24
- Nonsensical response per usual. "Trans people are people". I addressed what De Varona had to say - TakethetrainKnute - 5:47pm 4/15/24
- This is beginning to get exasperating...Ms De Varona...AND myself...agree that allowing ALL Trans - TyroneIrish - 5:57pm 4/15/24
- Beginning? Among other things you are misrepresenting Ms. de Varona's position as it would relate - TakethetrainKnute - 6:20pm 4/15/24
- You're not 'listening'...i've said repeatedly that I agree with Ms De Varona's position...which you - TyroneIrish - 7:14pm 4/15/24
- You are a vortex of wasted time. Saying it's "complicated" and discussing research on Gender - TakethetrainKnute - 7:48pm 4/15/24
- Don't forget that I'm repeating the words of an Olympic Swimming Champion who is all-in on seeing - TyroneIrish - 12:54am 4/16/24
- Yawn. No one has forgotten that you're repeating de Varona's position...without fully accounting - TakethetrainKnute - 9:02am 4/16/24
- If you'd read my posts you'd know that I do not support allowing trans women to compete - TyroneIrish - 11:38am 4/16/24
- And now we arrive at your real agenda, unsurprisingly. - jakers - 2:12pm 4/16/24
- If you'd read my posts you'd know that I do not support allowing trans women to compete - TyroneIrish - 11:38am 4/16/24
- Yawn. No one has forgotten that you're repeating de Varona's position...without fully accounting - TakethetrainKnute - 9:02am 4/16/24
- Don't forget that I'm repeating the words of an Olympic Swimming Champion who is all-in on seeing - TyroneIrish - 12:54am 4/16/24
- You are a vortex of wasted time. Saying it's "complicated" and discussing research on Gender - TakethetrainKnute - 7:48pm 4/15/24
- You're not 'listening'...i've said repeatedly that I agree with Ms De Varona's position...which you - TyroneIrish - 7:14pm 4/15/24
- It's only complicated because you're making it complicated. - iairishcheeks - 6:01pm 4/15/24
- Here's an overview of some of the research that has been conducted wrt Gender Dysphoria... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 6:59pm 4/15/24
- You're ignoring a great deal of research that forms the basis for the current diagnosis and - TyroneIrish - 6:10pm 4/15/24
- Beginning? Among other things you are misrepresenting Ms. de Varona's position as it would relate - TakethetrainKnute - 6:20pm 4/15/24
- This is beginning to get exasperating...Ms De Varona...AND myself...agree that allowing ALL Trans - TyroneIrish - 5:57pm 4/15/24
- We have the Special Olympics, we can have the Trans Olympics as well (dominated by men). - iairishcheeks - 5:49pm 4/15/24
- It's okay to read what others have to say...it's call "Critical Thinking"...don't be afraid to be - TyroneIrish - 5:26pm 4/15/24
- No thanks, I believe in science. [NT]
- iairishcheeks - 3:32pm 4/15/24
- Then you'll appreciate the opinion of true scientific professionals on this issue [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 3:44pm 4/15/24
- Does this have something at all to do with competitive fairness? You, of course, know the answer. [NT]
- TakethetrainKnute - 4:03pm 4/15/24
- That is the point. There is a clear biological advantage. - Frank L - 4:23pm 4/15/24
- Does this have something at all to do with competitive fairness? You, of course, know the answer. [NT]
- TakethetrainKnute - 4:03pm 4/15/24
- Then you'll appreciate the opinion of true scientific professionals on this issue [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 3:44pm 4/15/24
- Why do you keep repeating this? De Varona says it's "nuanced" and "complicated"... - TakethetrainKnute - 4:30pm 4/15/24
- If someone tells you they can see with their ears and hear with their eyes is that mental illness? - Curly1918 - 2:18pm 4/15/24
- The same professionals who treated you have developed protocols for Gender Dysphoria... - TyroneIrish - 3:32pm 4/15/24
- The modern psychiatric industry is in denial of the etiology of mental illness. - Curly1918 - 4:29pm 4/15/24
- Why should anyone take your opinion, as opposed to dedicated and caring professionals? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:05pm 4/15/24
- The modern psychiatric industry is in denial of the etiology of mental illness. - Curly1918 - 4:29pm 4/15/24
- The same professionals who treated you have developed protocols for Gender Dysphoria... - TyroneIrish - 3:32pm 4/15/24
- Have you, personally, ever competed at anything at a high level? - Hensou - 1:33pm 4/15/24
- I'm sure jimbasil has an opening as relief - ColeyO - 1:59pm 4/15/24
- Stick to the issue...read what Donna De Varona has to say about it...in essence, she's advocating [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 1:48pm 4/15/24
- Stick to the issue? The issue is whether biological males should compete in women's Track and Field - Hensou - 2:14pm 4/15/24
- It's not about me...it's about Trans Athletes...read what Donna De Varona has to say...as well as - TyroneIrish - 3:35pm 4/15/24
- The psychological issue does not remove the biological advantage, [NT]
- Hensou - 3:44pm 4/15/24
- Once more...read what she has to say...you'll learn stuff you currently are unaware of... - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 4/15/24
- I have read it you condescending fool. She refutes nothing I said. [NT]
- Hensou - 7:39pm 4/15/24
- She...and I...agree that without much better screening, Trans athletes should not be competing with - TyroneIrish - 11:25pm 4/15/24
- Donna and you are both quacks on this issue. - Hensou - 7:13am 4/16/24
- From your lips to God's ear...thanks for sharing your thoughts. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:43am 4/16/24
- Donna and you are both quacks on this issue. - Hensou - 7:13am 4/16/24
- She...and I...agree that without much better screening, Trans athletes should not be competing with - TyroneIrish - 11:25pm 4/15/24
- I have read it you condescending fool. She refutes nothing I said. [NT]
- Hensou - 7:39pm 4/15/24
- Once more...read what she has to say...you'll learn stuff you currently are unaware of... - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 4/15/24
- The psychological issue does not remove the biological advantage, [NT]
- Hensou - 3:44pm 4/15/24
- It's not about me...it's about Trans Athletes...read what Donna De Varona has to say...as well as - TyroneIrish - 3:35pm 4/15/24
- Stick to the issue? The issue is whether biological males should compete in women's Track and Field - Hensou - 2:14pm 4/15/24
- Except it's not actually complicated: compete as the sex assigned at birth. - iairishcheeks - 3:21pm 4/15/24
- We're told that this isn't that big of a deal. It's not happening all that much. [NT] - TampaIrish - 1:18pm 4/15/24
- Every Democrat voted for that. [NT]
- Cole - 1:04pm 4/15/24
- "Hey, they're not perfect". [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 1:54pm 4/15/24
- " there are some good people" [NT] - ColeyO - 2:01pm 4/15/24
- "Hey, they're not perfect". [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 1:54pm 4/15/24