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The only thing I am asserting

Author: Iggle (12818 Posts - Joined: Sep 14, 2007)
Posted at 9:11 pm on Sep 25, 2024
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is that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were not separate species. I don't think homo sapiens eliminated them. I think they were assimilated.

I don't pretend to be an expert on this. But I read a lot, and there is a whole bunch of recent genetic research that seems to support this interpretation of events. Probably same is true with Denisovans. It is becoming clearer that human history involved many forays out from Africa, with returns and new forays discovering those left behind 20,000 years prior.

I am not a biologist, but I think speciation requires the inability to produce fertile offspring. Shitsu's and Great Danes and wolves can still produce fertile offspring, but in 250,000 years that may no longer be the case.


Replies to: "The only thing I am asserting"

  • Is fighting for territory a core driver in the psyche of our species? - Curly1918 - 7:37am 9/25/24 (24) [View All]
    • Neocon's morning rant. Survival is a human trait. Russia is fighting western neocon for survival. - Eli - 10:13am 9/25/24
      • Asinine. Russia was in no existential peril. You’re a doofus. [NT] - Chris94 - 5:47pm 9/25/24
      • Russia is fighting to absorb and control Ukraine which is part of its expansionist history. - Frank L - 11:08am 9/25/24
      • Russia was a tiny hamlet til the 16th century... when they began fighting for survival THRU CONQUEST - Curly1918 - 10:36am 9/25/24
        • So Nato's aggressive expansion in 21st century is against Russia's 16th century's expansion? WTF - Eli - 11:27am 9/25/24
          • Eastern block NATO countries applied to get in and be protected against Putin's aggression. - Curly1918 - 11:59am 9/25/24
            • 1 Why you brought up 16th century then? 2 Nato expansion started before Putin. 3 You violated - Eli - 12:15pm 9/25/24
              • Nato does not have territory... it has members who want to protect their own territory. - Curly1918 - 12:40pm 9/25/24
          • No idiot. Russia’s expansion is. Again, there was zero chance of Ukraine joining NATO when that - Frank L - 11:44am 9/25/24
            • Go home to learn some 101. You're too ignorant to my taste. You know that. [NT] - Eli - 11:50am 9/25/24
              • I accept your white flag. [NT] - Frank L - 12:01pm 9/25/24
        • Correct. The problem for them is what was acceptable in terms of conquest in earlier centuries no - Frank L - 11:09am 9/25/24
          • Nobody told Putin that he's just acting out his primate instincts to his country's detriment. - Curly1918 - 11:32am 9/25/24
    • Regarding your comment on higher primates: Chimps vs Bonobos. [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 9:49am 9/25/24
      • If "chimps" and "bonobos" live in the same area, who gets the resources? - NedoftheHill - 9:55am 9/25/24
        • Between neanderthals and sapiens, which is the chimp and bonobo? - iairishcheeks - 10:22am 9/25/24
          • Neither. - Iggle - 11:01am 9/25/24
            • Ability to interbreed is not how we define species. [LINK] - iairishcheeks - 12:24pm 9/25/24
              • Their offspring are not fertile. They are like mules. - Iggle - 1:19pm 9/25/24
                • Now do Wolves, Dogs and Coyotes. - iairishcheeks - 3:17pm 9/25/24
                  • Wolves and dogs split off even more recently - Iggle - 5:00pm 9/25/24
                    • I think we're splitting hairs between species and sub species definitions. - iairishcheeks - 7:37pm 9/25/24
                      • The only thing I am asserting - Iggle - 9:11pm 9/25/24
                        • Interesting thoughts. - iairishcheeks - 10:47pm 9/25/24
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