can turn on, leaving her with no way to turn it off...even if it was turned on against her will...yet that is your position...i.e. the woman has NO SAY in the matter. It's like you looking at her and saying "Sorry, Honey, but you shouldn't have be born female...you'll just have to suck it up and deal with it...or we'll put you in prison." btw, as history has taught us, one way it will be dealt with is "Back Alley Abortions"...and those stories had a lot to do with why Roe v Wade got passed.
As for religious views, you like to turn it on when it suits your purpose...e.g. with RCC Catechism paragraph references dealing with "Killing", but then deny any interest when the same reference allows for Killing when "Prudential Judgement" is brought to bear with "Just Wars"...or when Catholic scholars acknowledge that the RCC Magisterium has NEVER taught that a fetus has "Personhood"...a very important distinction for ALL Religions...e.g. many Jews believe "Personhood" begins at Birth...AND for Secular Governments...e.g. in the U.S. a fetus becomes a legal person with judicial rights when it is BORN...not before.
btw, I'm not sure where you get your "Secular Humanist Moral Theory" idea from, so maybe you can share a link with us that backs you up...but I did a quick search with those words and found a "Humanist Perspective on Abortion" and it in no way backs up your unbending statement that Humanists are 100% against Abortion in all circumstances. (I'll link my source shortly....DONE...see attached article)...so your contention is highly suspect.
Summarizing for the moment, since we (I) will definitely come back again...
>Women who are forced or coerced into pregnancies are undeniably PERSONS with the FULL RIGHTS of Personhood...and when they are sexually attacked and impregnated, they have the right to decide whether or not to bring the pregnancy to term...because...
>Neither Religious, nor Secular authorities grant a fetus "Personhood Rights"
We need to get women's rights solidified...and then move on to ways in which the number of abortions are reduced...without sacrificing those rights...i.e. reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies...with contraceptives and wide use of Sex/Sexuality Education - for ALL ages...and finally, more programs that make carrying a pregnancy to term "Doable" for women on the margins...even those who might have been forced or coerced into them.
Again...first we must solidify a woman's right to choose an abortion. I'll be here.
Link: https://understandinghumanism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Abortion-humanist-perspective.pdf
Glad you brought up 'Biology'...a woman is not simply a "Biological Baby Making Machine" that anyone
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- You get a billion and you get a billion and you get a billion. No way Joe knows what is going on. - TampaIrish - 6:17pm 12/30/24
- What about this filly? [NT]
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- MAS - 6:27pm 12/30/24
- Dude? I’m dealing with a New Year’s Day menu right now [NT] - Frankx - 8:34pm 12/30/24
- A "Phil"ly [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 7:33pm 12/30/24
- Conor would hit it. [NT] - TampaIrish - 6:34pm 12/30/24
- What about this filly? [NT]
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- MAS - 6:27pm 12/30/24
- No worries. At least 4 years of Trump First will be upcoming. [NT]
- Frank L - 5:13pm 12/30/24
- English works for most of us. Try It, it's fun [NT] - ColeyO - 5:39pm 12/30/24
- * [NT] - ColeyO - 5:38pm 12/30/24
- Conor just wet his depends. There's still hope - ColeyO - 5:01pm 12/30/24
- Yellen said the other day that we'll hit the debt limit on or before Jan 14. - iairishcheeks - 4:27pm 12/30/24
- We don't know how to not spend money. Doesn't matter what we spend it on...we have to do it. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 5:00pm 12/30/24
- 10% for the big guy. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 5:06pm 12/30/24
- We don't know how to not spend money. Doesn't matter what we spend it on...we have to do it. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 5:00pm 12/30/24
- Another 25B, & when a peace is quickly &eagerly reached under Trump, Zelensky keeps the change. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 3:53pm 12/30/24
- Trump said 24 hours upon taking office. We shall see [NT] - Domer From Hell - 9:15pm 12/30/24
- Everything has been said that needs to be said about you, Neville. - Domer From Hell - 2:07pm 12/30/24
- Cleaning right now. I've actually really enjoyed the Toilet Bowls this year. A lot of great games. [NT] - MAS - 2:22pm 12/30/24
- To be fair, if any deaths are being bought, they are Russian & N.Korean deaths. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:04pm 12/30/24
- No, we're actually busy buying Ukrainian deaths, too. [NT]
- MAS - 2:23pm 12/30/24
- But that is not the intent. AND It is Ukraine that decides to fight. - NedoftheHill - 2:28pm 12/30/24
- Intent is morally irrelevant here. We are extending a hopeless war. I also don't assume that - MAS - 2:47pm 12/30/24
- I see the Ukrainian will to fight, and our assistance to them, as separate issues. - NedoftheHill - 3:08pm 12/30/24
- Even without US aid, the Ukraine would continue to fight… - Domer From Hell - 2:46pm 12/30/24
- Without U.S. support, Ukraine would've negotiated ages ago. [NT]
- MAS - 2:48pm 12/30/24
- Without U.S. support, Ukraine would've been overrun just like the Poles were in 1939.. - Curly1918 - 4:42pm 12/30/24
- That’s not a safe assumption. You fail to take onto consideration the Ukrainian will to fight… - Domer From Hell - 2:57pm 12/30/24
- Without U.S. support, Ukraine would've negotiated ages ago. [NT]
- MAS - 2:48pm 12/30/24
- Intent is morally irrelevant here. We are extending a hopeless war. I also don't assume that - MAS - 2:47pm 12/30/24
- But that is not the intent. AND It is Ukraine that decides to fight. - NedoftheHill - 2:28pm 12/30/24
- No, we're actually busy buying Ukrainian deaths, too. [NT]
- MAS - 2:23pm 12/30/24
- Freedom is 'Pointless'?...were your ancestors 'Tories' back in 1776?...and thank heaven for the - TyroneIrish - 1:51pm 12/30/24
- Were your ancestors 'Insurrectionists' back in 1776? [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:03pm 12/30/24
- My ancestors were also rebelling against The Crown back then...but living in County Tyrone. As for - TyroneIrish - 3:20pm 12/30/24
- I answered you question. It is part of your schtick to claim your questions aren't answered. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 5:01pm 12/30/24
- I wouldn't be asking if I'd seen that answer...it only takes seconds to type "Yes, or No"..do it. [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 5:44pm 12/30/24
- I said I opposed aggression against all, unlike you, who opposes aggression against some. - NedoftheHill - 11:13pm 12/30/24
- In the cases where an innocent woman is forced or coerced into a pregnancy she never wanted, it's - TyroneIrish - 12:54am 12/31/24
- It is never morally licit to victimize a second innocent person to help a first victim. - NedoftheHill - 1:37pm 12/31/24
- Thanks for re-engaging...I've attached the post just prior to you leaving the discussion, and it has [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 3:00pm 12/31/24
- I said "human beings" not "persons." You are defining "person" so you can kill "human beings." - NedoftheHill - 4:52pm 12/31/24
- Glad you brought up 'Biology'...a woman is not simply a "Biological Baby Making Machine" that anyone [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 11:03pm 12/31/24
- I respond with religious argument when you misrepresent Church Doctrine about abortion. - NedoftheHill - 11:48pm 12/31/24
- I've researched each of your contentions and posted documentation that refutes them...if you think - TyroneIrish - 12:57am 1/1/25
- As you know & lie about, the Catholic Church does not rely on your subtle, nuanced definition. - NedoftheHill - 12:03am 1/2/25
- There you go again, failing to address the plight of innocent women who have been impregnated - TyroneIrish - 1:39am 1/2/25
- I've asked twice. Here is a third time. Why do you seek to avoid answering? - NedoftheHill - 3:52am 1/2/25
- Because I asked my question first in the “P.S.” to the start of this ‘sub-thread’…and - TyroneIrish - 1:29pm 1/2/25
- Abortion is a form of homicide, regulatable by the state. - NedoftheHill - 1:54pm 1/2/25
- You are making an unsupported claim...no Religious, Secular nor Legal Authority has conferred - TyroneIrish - 3:35pm 1/2/25
- I answered your question. Please answer mine if you want to keep talking. - NedoftheHill - 3:47pm 1/2/25
- By not answering "Yes" to my question you are saying "No", a woman who is forced or coerced into a [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 2:21am 1/3/25
- Are you going to answer my questions? [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 4:57pm 1/3/25
- Your words..."My question, for the third time: In the great majority of cases, in which a woman is - TyroneIrish - 8:01pm 1/3/25
- I did answer you...fetal abortion is NOT defined as homicide by the RCC, Secular Humanists, or - TyroneIrish - 7:38pm 1/3/25
- Let me know when you want to answer my questions. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 12:48am 1/4/25
- Here is your question from 12/31... - TyroneIrish - 3:46am 1/4/25
- LOL...The Onus is on you, Ned...a) I asked the initial question about whether women who are forced - TyroneIrish - 3:18am 1/4/25
- Let me know when you want to answer my questions. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 12:48am 1/4/25
- Are you going to answer my questions? [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 4:57pm 1/3/25
- By not answering "Yes" to my question you are saying "No", a woman who is forced or coerced into a [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 2:21am 1/3/25
- I answered your question. Please answer mine if you want to keep talking. - NedoftheHill - 3:47pm 1/2/25
- You are making an unsupported claim...no Religious, Secular nor Legal Authority has conferred - TyroneIrish - 3:35pm 1/2/25
- Abortion is a form of homicide, regulatable by the state. - NedoftheHill - 1:54pm 1/2/25
- Because I asked my question first in the “P.S.” to the start of this ‘sub-thread’…and - TyroneIrish - 1:29pm 1/2/25
- I've asked twice. Here is a third time. Why do you seek to avoid answering? - NedoftheHill - 3:52am 1/2/25
- There you go again, failing to address the plight of innocent women who have been impregnated - TyroneIrish - 1:39am 1/2/25
- As you know & lie about, the Catholic Church does not rely on your subtle, nuanced definition. - NedoftheHill - 12:03am 1/2/25
- I've researched each of your contentions and posted documentation that refutes them...if you think - TyroneIrish - 12:57am 1/1/25
- I respond with religious argument when you misrepresent Church Doctrine about abortion. - NedoftheHill - 11:48pm 12/31/24
- Glad you brought up 'Biology'...a woman is not simply a "Biological Baby Making Machine" that anyone [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 11:03pm 12/31/24
- I said "human beings" not "persons." You are defining "person" so you can kill "human beings." - NedoftheHill - 4:52pm 12/31/24
- Thanks for re-engaging...I've attached the post just prior to you leaving the discussion, and it has [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 3:00pm 12/31/24
- It is never morally licit to victimize a second innocent person to help a first victim. - NedoftheHill - 1:37pm 12/31/24
- In the cases where an innocent woman is forced or coerced into a pregnancy she never wanted, it's - TyroneIrish - 12:54am 12/31/24
- I said I opposed aggression against all, unlike you, who opposes aggression against some. - NedoftheHill - 11:13pm 12/30/24
- I wouldn't be asking if I'd seen that answer...it only takes seconds to type "Yes, or No"..do it. [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 5:44pm 12/30/24
- I answered you question. It is part of your schtick to claim your questions aren't answered. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 5:01pm 12/30/24
- My ancestors were also rebelling against The Crown back then...but living in County Tyrone. As for - TyroneIrish - 3:20pm 12/30/24
- Were your ancestors 'Insurrectionists' back in 1776? [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 2:03pm 12/30/24
- You are probably correct... but there will be millions more dead Ukrainians when Putin's hordes... - Curly1918 - 1:44pm 12/30/24
- . [NT] - Frank L - 4:18pm 12/30/24
- Standard, unfalsifiable, fearmongering tactic used in all our modern entanglements. I take comfort - MAS - 2:19pm 12/30/24
- I take no comfort in the fact that we went down the isolationist path in the past... with [LINK] - Curly1918 - 4:37pm 12/30/24
- Standard, unjustifiable put down tactic of legitimate concerns. [NT] - Frank L - 4:19pm 12/30/24
- You get a billion and you get a billion and you get a billion. No way Joe knows what is going on. - TampaIrish - 6:17pm 12/30/24