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If..."Most of what he is doing is good."...then why say..."I don't love Trump no matter what."?...

Author: TyroneIrish (20377 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 4:03 pm on Mar 12, 2025
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do you have "Schizophrenia" issues"?...or are you just being Disingenuous on purpose?...I'll opt for the later.

While I've got your attention, here's another copy attached of "Why I am not a Libertarian"...thought you might find it "Enlightening"...I especially draw your attention to the concluding segment. I also suspect that your Libertarian idealism is responsible for your misguided views and posts.
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The libertarian delusion: A society of free-wheeling, self-reliant individuals

As noted earlier, individuals can only maximize their opportunities — and thus their freedom — in communities. However, contrary to a central assumption of libertarianism, we are not individuals who choose to live in communities only out of self-interest. Rather, we are fundamentally interdependent social animals, whose identity as self-responsible citizens depends upon, and is only possible because of, community. At every stage of both our personal history, and our collective evolutionary history, we are thoroughly dependent upon family, community, and society. Only at one unique stage in our lives, and only recently in our history, does our social dependence seem less obvious  —  when we are young and healthy and have enough resources at our disposal to strike out on our own. Libertarians would take this short moment of (illusory) independence and design a political system around it.

But we are interdependent social animals who identify with families and social groups, feel loyalty to and make sacrifices for those groups, prefer to live and work in groups rather than alone, seek the approval and respect of others, and naturally feel empathy toward others, all of which override simple calculations of self-interest. In fact, human activity has little to do with a rational calculation of self-interest at all. The decisions and actions of normal humans are always filtered through emotional and social considerations.

Recognizing the essential importance of social institutions and communities means that politics must remain a complex and frustrating trade-off between personal rights, personal obligations, and community needs. It can never be as simplistic and one-dimensional as the libertarian would have it. That is why I am no longer a libertarian.

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Your comments are welcome...


Link: https://publicseminar.org/2016/11/why-i-am-not-a-libertarian/

Replies to: "If..."Most of what he is doing is good."...then why say..."I don't love Trump no matter what."?..."

  • Do MAGA voters not give a shit when Trump lies right to your face? - Quest4twelve - 7:10am 3/12/25 (55) [View All]
    • Cheering Trump's obvious lies is a loyalty test, wie die Nationalsozialisten. [NT] - ND521 - 2:21pm 3/12/25
    • I see you are recycling a question I asked of the Left in past. - NedoftheHill - 9:39am 3/12/25
      • Still 'forgot' to answer: Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? [NT] - ND521 - 2:12pm 3/12/25
        • I'm curious when you asked this question before. Q didn't ask it. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:48pm 3/12/25
          • You are a liar and a weasel, MAGA Ned. [NT] - ND521 - 3:43pm 3/12/25
            • You seem confused. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:16pm 3/12/25
          • Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? - 3/9/2025 [NT] - ND521 - 3:40pm 3/12/25
          • Since you forgot to answer: Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? 3/9 [NT] - ND521 - 3:39pm 3/12/25
          • Since you forgot to answer: Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? 3/9 [NT] - ND521 - 3:37pm 3/12/25
            • He won’t answer. - Frank L 3/9. Frank, you were right. [NT] - ND521 - 3:38pm 3/12/25
              • I answered. Board Ops can decide if they want to let you stalk me or not. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:44pm 3/12/25
          • Since you forgot to answer: Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? 3/09 [NT] - ND521 - 3:36pm 3/12/25
          • Your answer, please: Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? - 3/10/2025 [NT] - ND521 - 3:34pm 3/12/25
      • Who is this left that you asked questions of? Are we talking about a person or persons? [NT] - Frank L - 10:55am 3/12/25
      • You asked if MAGA voters give a shit when trump lies all the time? - jimbasil - 10:40am 3/12/25
      • No clue what you're referring to, but have an answer to this question? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 10:09am 3/12/25
        • Started with Obamacare (they called you stupid voter). Later conspiracy theories. - NedoftheHill - 11:16am 3/12/25
          • If..."Most of what he is doing is good."...then why say..."I don't love Trump no matter what."?... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:03pm 3/12/25
          • No answer, MAGA Ned? Do you support the proposed tax cuts which add $2T/yr to the debt? [NT] - ND521 - 2:13pm 3/12/25
            • You are acting like your post isn't the first time you asked this question. - NedoftheHill - 2:46pm 3/12/25
              • Non-responsive. Do you support extending/proposed tax cuts that add $2T/yr to the debt? [NT] - ND521 - 4:22pm 3/12/25
              • Tax increases are different than tax cuts. You still didn’t address if you support the cuts. [NT] - Frank L - 4:03pm 3/12/25
          • You're all over the place bro, try to focus in on one thing - Quest4twelve - 11:32am 3/12/25
            • Read slower next time. - NedoftheHill - 11:57am 3/12/25
              • Them feet must be tired from all that running. [NT] - Quest4twelve - 1:56pm 3/12/25
                • Says the guy who won't answer. I answered. You won't. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:50pm 3/12/25
                  • You did not answer. [NT] - Frank L - 5:02pm 3/12/25
                    • Incorrect. Its on this page somewhere. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:50pm 3/13/25
      • Whatabout. Huh. [NT] - Chris94 - 9:44am 3/12/25
        • I hear Hitler liked to use that argument. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:18am 3/12/25
    • Do you think he won because Biden/Harris did a great job? I just paid $5.89 for eggs. Are they 12 - MuskyTommy - 9:36am 3/12/25
      • Ah - always the false spin. Protect DJT at all costs no mater the lie. Good cult member. [NT] - jimbasil - 10:57am 3/12/25
        • No spin. Just facts. Not sorry I live in a state with lower costs unlike you. [NT] - MuskyTommy - 11:11am 3/12/25
          • Answer - Far better than the fuckwad who was there for four years before them. And now - jimbasil - 1:28pm 3/12/25
            • Pace yourself Jimmy. Three years and ten months is a long time to be so mad. [NT] - MuskyTommy - 2:19pm 3/12/25
              • Really? I recall you being mad for 4 years under the prior administration. [NT] - Frank L - 4:15pm 3/12/25
                • Sorry Frank but I wasn’t on here swearing at everyone because they didn’t agree with me. I didn’t - MuskyTommy - 7:44am 3/13/25
      • The Dem ticket should've won because as you can see volatility and putting your finger in the wind - Quest4twelve - 10:07am 3/12/25
        • Um ok. [NT] - MuskyTommy - 10:30am 3/12/25
      • You are getting ripped off. According to Piggles they should be no more than $5.51. [NT] - Frank L - 9:58am 3/12/25
        • Frances gets bent over desk. Lashes out. - Iggle - 11:12am 3/12/25
          • $5.51, right genius? [NT] - Frank L - 4:02pm 3/12/25
            • Even lower today! [LINK] - Iggle - 5:11pm 3/12/25
              • Except for real situations like the poster described. - Frank L - 6:29pm 3/12/25
                • . [NT] - Frank L - 10:07pm 3/12/25
                • Hard to believe you are this dumb. - Iggle - 7:38pm 3/12/25
                  • Long distance? 19 cents Jackass. [NT] - Frank L - 9:55pm 3/12/25
                    • Much more than that. You edited your stupid post, loser. [NT] - Iggle - 10:04pm 3/12/25
                      • Untrue, but go with that you dumbass loser. [NT] - Frank L - 10:09pm 3/12/25
        • Damn I’m getting ripped off.. Milk $2.69. Gas $3.00. I’m not sure I’m gonna survive. [NT] - MuskyTommy - 10:33am 3/12/25
    • After 4 yrs of Biden, you have the hubris to ask that [NT] - lmcdonald - 9:27am 3/12/25
      • Biden is biggest liar ever! [NT] - cubsfanin16 - 1:28pm 3/12/25
      • Is this your "I love getting pissed on and being told it's raining" admission because the other guy - Quest4twelve - 10:11am 3/12/25
    • Irony [NT] - irish93 - 9:02am 3/12/25
      • How so? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 10:09am 3/12/25
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