Neck and neck to Trumpo ongoing lies and fraud I irishscooter 5648 posts Joined: Oct 1, 2008 Posted 11:17 pm on Dec 19, 2017 Reply I will say it again. Trumpo knew the Clintons very well and knew he had to cheat, lie, collude to out do the Clintons. And boy did he go all in. Hate is just the bodyguard for grief