Was deadly force legally justified?

Curly1918 18652 posts Joined: Aug 30, 2017

Posted 5:29 pm on Dec 21, 2021

It is if an officer reasonably believes the subject poses a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to themselves or others. I’m not sure a middle aged unarmed lady would scare most trained security personnel into feeling significantly threatened. Perhaps this should be a question for a jury.

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Was deadly force legally justified? Curly1918 5:29pm · 12/21/21
- If the victim were a BLM rioter, the guard might have had to sit in front of a jury.NT NedoftheHill 6:55pm · 12/21/21
- I've heard better arguments from Sydney Powell ;-)...let's see now, scores of rabid rioters and a TyroneIrish 5:46pm · 12/21/21
  - This was not an argument. It was a question given the legal standard.NT Curly1918 6:22pm · 12/21/21
    - Note the 'winking eye'...I am not schooled in legal grammar...as others might say, I was pulling TyroneIrish 7:34pm · 12/21/21
      - Why only one shot and why at an unarmed middle=aged lady struggling to get through a window? Curly1918 7:27am · 12/22/21
        
        He didn’t panic due to an unarmed, middle aged woman struggling through a window. Frank L 8:43am · 12/22/21
        
        So he fired wildly? Or did he intend to kill? Curly1918 9:41am · 12/22/21
        
        He intended to shoot her to stop the threat. It worked. No one attacked the lawmakers. Frank L 11:12am · 12/22/21
  - My after action criticism would be he should have issued a warning first like the officers in the Frank L 5:51pm · 12/21/21
    - It's remarkable reasonable people can view that video... Stark Raving Dad 6:41pm · 12/21/21
      - Actually Stark, reasonable people understand that the use of deadly force was clearly justified. conorlarkin 6:59pm · 12/21/21
        
        Oh I absolutely agree with you and Frank. Stark Raving Dad 7:07pm · 12/21/21
        
        ^^^this^^^NT Frank L 7:04pm · 12/21/21
      - Not on legality if you are knowledgeable and fair.NT Frank L 6:44pm · 12/21/21
        
        Agreed. Stark Raving Dad 6:55pm · 12/21/21
        
        No he didn’t know if she was armed or not. The real threat wasn’t just her, but the group breaching Frank L 7:03pm · 12/21/21
    - Agreed! I suspect his reaction was out of panic.NT Curly1918 6:23pm · 12/21/21
      - I have repped and interviewed cops who have killed perps and have sat on a shooting review board. Frank L 6:43pm · 12/21/21
- She wasn't an anxious shopper, trying to be the first one into Best Buy on Black Friday. conorlarkin 5:46pm · 12/21/21
- Without question if she is leading a mob of others which she was to the area that’s being evacuated.NT Frank L 5:31pm · 12/21/21
  - Question of fact. Let a jury decide.NT Curly1918 6:26pm · 12/21/21
    - Uhm no, there is no question. Clear video evidence of it. You are an attorney, yes?NT Frank L 6:36pm · 12/21/21
  - Any evidence that she was leading? Genuine question.NT NedoftheHill 5:40pm · 12/21/21
    - Yep, she was the one who breached the locked door to the area.NT Frank L 5:43pm · 12/21/21
      - I just watched conor's video in the range he indicated. I can't blame the guy for shooting. NedoftheHill 5:47pm · 12/21/21

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