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Oh I absolutely agree with you and Frank.

Author: Stark Raving Dad (5192 Posts - Joined: Aug 19, 2020)

Posted at 7:07 pm on Dec 21, 2021

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The video in "real time" looks bad. That's all I meant.

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"It’s always a wonder how you all are experts in everything." jimbasil 6/26/2022

Replies to: "Oh I absolutely agree with you and Frank."

This is why Babbit got shot. She was leading a mob to where the lawmakers were being evacuated. - Frank L - 3:16pm 12/21/21 (69) [View All]
- Was deadly force legally justified? - Curly1918 - 5:29pm 12/21/21
  - If the victim were a BLM rioter, the guard might have had to sit in front of a jury. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:55pm 12/21/21
  - I've heard better arguments from Sydney Powell ;-)...let's see now, scores of rabid rioters and a - TyroneIrish - 5:46pm 12/21/21
    - This was not an argument. It was a question given the legal standard. [NT] - Curly1918 - 6:22pm 12/21/21
      - Note the 'winking eye'...I am not schooled in legal grammar...as others might say, I was pulling - TyroneIrish - 7:34pm 12/21/21
        Why only one shot and why at an unarmed middle=aged lady struggling to get through a window? - Curly1918 - 7:27am 12/22/21
        He didn’t panic due to an unarmed, middle aged woman struggling through a window. - Frank L - 8:43am 12/22/21
        So he fired wildly? Or did he intend to kill? - Curly1918 - 9:41am 12/22/21
        He intended to shoot her to stop the threat. It worked. No one attacked the lawmakers. - Frank L - 11:12am 12/22/21
    - My after action criticism would be he should have issued a warning first like the officers in the - Frank L - 5:51pm 12/21/21
      - It's remarkable reasonable people can view that video... - Stark Raving Dad - 6:41pm 12/21/21
        Actually Stark, reasonable people understand that the use of deadly force was clearly justified. - conorlarkin - 6:59pm 12/21/21
        Oh I absolutely agree with you and Frank. - Stark Raving Dad - 7:07pm 12/21/21
        
        ^^^this^^^ [NT] - Frank L - 7:04pm 12/21/21
        
        Not on legality if you are knowledgeable and fair. [NT] - Frank L - 6:44pm 12/21/21
        Agreed. - Stark Raving Dad - 6:55pm 12/21/21
        No he didn’t know if she was armed or not. The real threat wasn’t just her, but the group breaching - Frank L - 7:03pm 12/21/21
      - Agreed! I suspect his reaction was out of panic. [NT] - Curly1918 - 6:23pm 12/21/21
        I have repped and interviewed cops who have killed perps and have sat on a shooting review board. - Frank L - 6:43pm 12/21/21
  - She wasn't an anxious shopper, trying to be the first one into Best Buy on Black Friday. - conorlarkin - 5:46pm 12/21/21
  - Without question if she is leading a mob of others which she was to the area that’s being evacuated. [NT] - Frank L - 5:31pm 12/21/21
    - Question of fact. Let a jury decide. [NT] - Curly1918 - 6:26pm 12/21/21
      - Uhm no, there is no question. Clear video evidence of it. You are an attorney, yes? [NT] - Frank L - 6:36pm 12/21/21
    - Any evidence that she was leading? Genuine question. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:40pm 12/21/21
      - Yep, she was the one who breached the locked door to the area. [NT] - Frank L - 5:43pm 12/21/21
        I just watched conor's video in the range he indicated. I can't blame the guy for shooting. - NedoftheHill - 5:47pm 12/21/21
- Key footage is at 26:30 -- 28:30. A clear green light to use justifiable deadly force by police. - conorlarkin - 4:49pm 12/21/21
  - I hadn't seen that video before. Didn't realize she was trying to break through. Pretty stupid. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:45pm 12/21/21
  - Much of the vile treason is right there. Hope that the MAGA crew here are proud of their cohorts. - Frank L - 5:24pm 12/21/21
    - These are the same posters who believe George Floyd's criminal record justified deadly force. [NT] - conorlarkin - 5:36pm 12/21/21
      - Same jerkoffs who wrap themselves in the flag and claim to be for “law and order”. - Frank L - 5:42pm 12/21/21
        You and your pals sure have a ton of hate for your fellow Americans. How come? [NT] - ELP - 11:00pm 12/21/21
        
        .. [NT] - Frank L - 5:42pm 12/21/21
- Isn't this the same officer who left his service revolver unattended in a Capitol bathroom? - ELP - 4:46pm 12/21/21
- Here's Frankie L wanting to convict Rittenhouse [NT] [LINK] - Cole - 4:06pm 12/21/21
  - Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout. [LINK] - Frank L - 4:53pm 12/21/21
  - . [NT] - Cole - 4:31pm 12/21/21
  - Like Tyrone noted - “words fail to explain your thinking” [NT] - jimbasil - 4:21pm 12/21/21
    - Rittenhouse got attacked. Bobbit didn't attack anyone. Explain your own thinking. [NT] - Cole - 4:31pm 12/21/21
      - Nah she just breached a locked door and was leading a mob toward evacuating lawmakers. - Frank L - 5:07pm 12/21/21
      - Really? You’re having difficulty with this? How come I’m not surprised? - jimbasil - 4:44pm 12/21/21
- She was crawling thru a window, not going down a hallway, - ColeyO - 3:53pm 12/21/21
  - And she was going to stay in that broken window frame forever?...words fail to explain your thinking - TyroneIrish - 4:11pm 12/21/21
    - When I address Frank, I would appreciate if he answers, - ColeyO - 7:12pm 12/21/21
      - LOL...name one poster who waits for two other posters to finish their 'conversation' before joining - TyroneIrish - 7:57pm 12/21/21
    - She was actually standing away from door. It was a random shot into a crowd. It hit her in the neck. - NedoftheHill - 4:44pm 12/21/21
      - Whoa! That wasn't random. That was point blank in the head. - Stark Raving Dad - 5:27pm 12/21/21
        Agreed, based on the video conor showed. I had seen other video of someone getting shot. - NedoftheHill - 9:49pm 12/21/21
      - We all saw the video that Jim just gave you...one of your poorest attempts at gaslighting, Ned. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:57pm 12/21/21
        We know you gaslight, so I can definitely see why you would accuse others of it. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:51pm 12/21/21
        Well, let's see here...I just exposed your fallacious statement...although I now understand it was - TyroneIrish - 10:14pm 12/21/21
      - This might help your remembering. [NT] [LINK] - jimbasil - 4:48pm 12/21/21
- did she have a gun? [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 3:24pm 12/21/21
  - Crispus Attucks didn't have a gun either. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:11pm 12/21/21
    - Funny you would mention that. You know who defended those British troops……..wait for it…… - Frank L - 5:39pm 12/21/21
      - Heh. Yes, I did know that. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:51pm 12/21/21
    - Yeah, compare the American Revolution to an insurrection. Brilliant. [NT] - jimbasil - 4:18pm 12/21/21
      - Huge difference there...wait, what? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:51pm 12/21/21
  - Really? You can’t grasp what was happening that day in the Capitol building? - jimbasil - 3:57pm 12/21/21
  - Doesn’t matter. The goal is to prevent a mob from rushing through that door at the lawmakers. - Frank L - 3:27pm 12/21/21
    - Former Capitol copper Fanone to be a contributor to CNN [LINK] - Stark Raving Dad - 3:58pm 12/21/21
      - How so? Would be nice if we had more cops on these networks to explain the job and what they face. [NT] - Frank L - 5:05pm 12/21/21
        They will be available, as yr crew is all into - ColeyO - 7:49pm 12/21/21
        
        Just thought it was interesting. Perhaps not. Certainly safer line of work. - Stark Raving Dad - 5:17pm 12/21/21
      - I'm sure he would have preferred to continue his former job, but for the heart attack he suffered on - TyroneIrish - 4:23pm 12/21/21
        Maybe. No idea really. - Stark Raving Dad - 4:32pm 12/21/21
        Do you really need to be spoon-fed?...it's my opinion that his heart attack impeded his - TyroneIrish - 5:05pm 12/21/21
        Well you spoke so definitively and I know you're fond of links. - Stark Raving Dad - 5:13pm 12/21/21
        C'mon, Stark...you started this thread segment...don't quit so easily...I may not have sugar-coated - TyroneIrish - 9:27pm 12/21/21