I think you are spot on. That has been my point for 2 years now.

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I think you are spot on. That has been my point for 2 years now.

Author: NDavenue (7489 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 1:03 pm on Jan 9, 2019

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The Dems don't seem to be learning from 2016. They appear to keep moving further Left.

I don't believe illusions because too much is for real.

Replies to: "I think you are spot on. That has been my point for 2 years now."

I just don't get the people who are willing to go to the mattresses over the "wall" issue. - NDavenue - 9:03am 1/9/19 (66) [View All]
- The issue is whether the President should hold the government hostage over it. - conorlarkin - 11:56am 1/9/19
  - As I tell my children, it takes two people to fight. - iairishcheeks - 12:39pm 1/9/19
    - So you let your child hide the clicker, and deny TV to household until .... - conorlarkin - 3:17pm 1/9/19
      - Of course not, my children are well behaved. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 3:39pm 1/9/19
        Unlike Trump .... who happens to be a US President. Hence, my point. [NT] - conorlarkin - 3:56pm 1/9/19
        "But he started it!" [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:44pm 1/9/19
    - How so? There had already been a bipartisan solution to keep the govt - Frank L - 12:45pm 1/9/19
      - It's pretty simple. - iairishcheeks - 1:23pm 1/9/19
        How’s he going to claim victory? They already offered him $25 billion worth of Wall for DACA which - Frank L - 5:13pm 1/9/19
        
        The Dems are in a hissy fit over 10 minutes worth of .gov border spending - CC72 - 2:26pm 1/9/19
        Trump is throwing the hissy fit. The Dems are just refusing to appease the tantrum. [NT] - LehighND - 7:06pm 1/9/19
  - Bingo. Give the man a kewpie doll. [NT] - Frank L - 11:58am 1/9/19
- Surprised you'd blame the uneducated racists at Trump rallies who chant "Build the Wall". Smh. [NT] - ND521 - 11:40am 1/9/19
  - Tear down the border wall at San Diego and invite everyone to cross in - CC72 - 2:28pm 1/9/19
- Everything is about "identity politics." - Curly1918 - 11:19am 1/9/19
- I'll bet you thought that was a great line, didn't you? - jimbasil - 11:14am 1/9/19
  - Very cogent argument. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:24am 1/9/19
    - Then give me something to work with. [NT] - jimbasil - 11:40am 1/9/19
- When did Candidate Don say the American taxpayer was going to pay for the wall? - Rooney - 11:07am 1/9/19
  - I think the vast majority of Trump voters understood it was hyperbole. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:30am 1/9/19
    - Yeah sure, hyperbole - his base actually thought when voting for him, it's just hyperbole - jimbasil - 11:39am 1/9/19
    - Respectfully, I think you give the vast majority of Trump voters too much credit. - Rooney - 11:37am 1/9/19
      - The base yes. The left underestimates how many votes he could get, not from supporters, - Frank L - 11:44am 1/9/19
        I think you are spot on. That has been my point for 2 years now. - NDavenue - 1:03pm 1/9/19
        
        I know I shouldn't say this, because a Biden-Trump election would be fun, but Biden is unelectable. [NT] [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 11:57am 1/9/19
        Bring that shit on. Would love to see the fight over who is the bigger dirtbag. [NT] - Frank L - 11:59am 1/9/19
        Agreed. Would be fun. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:49pm 1/9/19
    - Not a valid reason to close down the govt when you can’t back up yer hyperbole! [NT] - Frank L - 11:33am 1/9/19
- Mostly fair points. But look at it from the other side. Orange has been a petulant child over this. - Frank L - 10:49am 1/9/19
  - I also think the Dems could play it more in their favor if they agree to fund it. - NDavenue - 11:39am 1/9/19
    - Here’s my prediction. The shutdown is unsustainable past this month. - Frank L - 11:47am 1/9/19
      - Here is my perfect scenario on that. - NedoftheHill - 1:57pm 1/9/19
      - That is a very real possibility. Maybe even likely. [NT] - NDavenue - 1:00pm 1/9/19
      - Not a bad prediction. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:59am 1/9/19
  - I guess we'll see where it goes. I think it will hurts Dems though. [NT] - NDavenue - 11:33am 1/9/19
- So it's Democrats going to the mattresses over the wall, is it? - Chris94 - 10:41am 1/9/19
  - Sorry. I meant in terms of opposing it. I assume everyone expected Trump to do it. - NDavenue - 11:28am 1/9/19
- Answers. - LehighND - 10:14am 1/9/19
  - Lehigh, why do you think the Democrats changed their minds on the wall? Just b/c Trump likes it? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:02pm 1/9/19
    - I don't understand the question. - LehighND - 6:55pm 1/9/19
      - He is proposing basically the same stuff in the Democratic Party Platform from 2008 quoted earlier. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:59pm 1/9/19
        Evasive and disingenuous. What did the platform propose, and what is Trump proposing? [NT] - LehighND - 7:03pm 1/9/19
        Because I referenced my earlier post which laid out the Dem/Trump platform? - NedoftheHill - 12:56am 1/10/19
  - Do you actually know anything - WoodstockIrish - 1:36pm 1/9/19
    - I've asked a million times for some to explain what he is planning to spend the 5.6 billion on. - LehighND - 7:01pm 1/9/19
      - Um, you're asking people on this board.... - Domer From Hell - 8:37pm 1/9/19
        I doubt "Woodie" has read the plan, analyzed the economics of it. - LehighND - 12:50am 1/10/19
        Re: I doubt "Woodie" has read the plan, analyzed the economics of it. - WoodstockIrish - 12:08pm 1/10/19
      - Wall, a couple hundred border agents, and some other stuff. They gave a list of stuff on the radio. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 7:08pm 1/9/19
    - I balee he has an engineering degree. Do you? [NT] - Frank L - 5:17pm 1/9/19
      - I do. But, even a history degree would be useful here. - NedoftheHill - 7:03pm 1/9/19
        I'm pretty sure I am not acting like that. Do you have a link where I act like that? - LehighND - 1:01am 1/10/19
        
        Did I ask you? - Frank L - 8:32pm 1/9/19
  - Your bias is transparent. This is all about you not liking Trump. "Spoiled child"? That dog won't hu - NDavenue - 10:25am 1/9/19
    - I didn't think "spoiled child" was even contested by his supporters. [NT] - LehighND - 10:33am 1/9/19
      - It's a term of endearment in some circles. [NT] - Rooney - 11:13am 1/9/19
  - 39% favor the border wall. [LINK] - LehighND - 10:24am 1/9/19
    - That is a poorly asked question. I wonder how many of them know there already is a wall. - NedoftheHill - 12:01pm 1/9/19
- The dems are going to come out on the losing end of this ordeal... - IrishMac - 9:48am 1/9/19
  - Nope, almost 2/3rds of the country agree with them. [NT] - Frank L - 10:50am 1/9/19
- Well said. Good summary of the situation. This is all purely political, and nothing to do w/border. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:13am 1/9/19
  - The Dems are misguided and believe Trump will lose his base if he doesn't get the wall. - NDavenue - 10:30am 1/9/19
    - Actually it was Orange who was misguided over that. Went wobbly and wussy when Ann and Rush yelled - Frank L - 11:38am 1/9/19
  - So stick to the status quo? - LehighND - 10:15am 1/9/19
    - There is a wall, but perhaps the Dems would like to vote on tearing it down? Cause after all you - WoodstockIrish - 1:39pm 1/9/19
    - That is the political victory the Dems are looking for. Trump is looking for the opposite. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:54am 1/9/19

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