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Yeah, you guys sure have the moral high ground.

Author: MAS (21528 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 1:04 am on Jun 13, 2019
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How far back does your memory go? Dial it back about twenty years. Many of the same folks sputtering and displaying histrionics right now were making the same argument Republicans/conservatives make right now: they will support the president, despite his moral defects, because of what he's doing or will do on Issues A, B and C. Chances are, you were one of those people back in the 90s. I didn't vote for the morally defective Bill Clinton and I didn't vote for the morally defective Trump. I think self-described Christian conservatives ought to be embarrassed for voting for Trump. But I'm not interested in listening to hypocritical partisan hacks go on about the morals of people voting for him when they have and will again behave in the same exact way when one of their tribal members is the candidate who will put their people on the benches of our courts system or keep abortion legal or grant amnesty. The only people who want to listen to you on this count are other hypocritical partisan hacks.

And then to top it off, I have to listen to lefties who now make arguments like, "Trust the CIA." Are you kidding me? I know most your memories barely go back to the last president, but I'll bet you recall what your ilk was saying about the CIA under Dubya, right? Not to mention its illustrious history helping to topple democratically-elected leaders in various nations over time. But now we can trust those reliable, honest people, right? Yeah, I'm sure you believe that. "Trust the FBI." That's what liberals have contended for decades, right? Like back in the Civil Rights Era. Bless the FBI. And then let's ramp up anti-Russian rhetoric, because that's what liberals have always stood for, right?

These last couple years have been just mind-boggling for those of us who aren't partisan hacks, watching this elongated temper tantrum give birth to lefties stoking the flames with Russia and telling us that we should venerate and trust the intelligence apparatus of the state. I sometimes wonder if you guys ever pause to consider what you're saying or if you're just so fixated on getting Trump removed, that you never even think about how silly and stupid you sound with this stuff. You're losing and you'll continue to lose and you deserve to lose. Honestly, do you really care about winning? Do you think these are winning tactics? Do you think the American people really care if he passes on information to the FBI? Do you think most Americans think we're headed for a "banana republic?" Does it seem like most voters are as outraged as outrage overachievers here and elsewhere over his stupid tweets? What issues that poll high among voters do you put on the back burner when you devote all this time to this stuff?


Replies to: "Yeah, you guys sure have the moral high ground."

  • Today’s infuriating banana republic horror [LINK] - Chris94 - 8:07pm 6/12/19 (98) [View All]
    • A blast from 2004 on Kerry: He claimed he’d met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 3:04pm 6/13/19
    • If you actually listen rather than take the misleading headline, Trump says - BaronVonZemo - 2:06pm 6/13/19
    • It is hard to wrap one's head around Frank's and your apoplectic reaction to all things Trump. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 8:06am 6/13/19
      • Weird that Trump worshipers wouldn't understand that... [NT] - LehighND - 10:18am 6/13/19
        • I would expect that from an Obama Worshipper... - NedoftheHill - 10:26am 6/13/19
          • I try to see this in a non partisan context. - Frank L - 11:22am 6/13/19
            • LOL. Are you talking about yourself or Trump? Is your TDS from your self-hatred? [NT] - Eli - 2:02pm 6/13/19
              • Of course you can’t address the substance so you retreat to your pablum. - Frank L - 2:09pm 6/13/19
                • Substance remains same: the best R always is ex-D. I don't know why you made this a big deal. [NT] - Eli - 4:04pm 6/13/19
                  • Stop babbling. Sit. Think. Try to make sense. [NT] - Frank L - 4:11pm 6/13/19
            • So, I actually agree with most of that. - NedoftheHill - 11:46am 6/13/19
              • The first sentence is where we disagree the most. - Frank L - 11:56am 6/13/19
                • If the engineer gets the locomotive rolling into a dangerous area, and then jumps off... - NedoftheHill - 1:30pm 6/13/19
                  • Seriously, give me the facts established that show anyone from the past Admin - Frank L - 1:44pm 6/13/19
                    • I'm willing to wait for the results of the investigation. - NedoftheHill - 3:18pm 6/13/19
                      • True dat. [NT] - Frank L - 3:34pm 6/13/19
          • It should be obvious. - LehighND - 10:41am 6/13/19
            • I'm hoping for a tailgater with you and Ned and anyone else who wants to come from the board.... - BaronVonZemo - 2:11pm 6/13/19
              • Undecided RE games. I usually don't decide this early. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:49pm 6/13/19
                • UVA, USC, and one of the easier games NM or BG. - LehighND - 6:28pm 6/13/19
                  • I have a wedding on USC weekend (MSU groom so niece protected his fball scedule)........... - BaronVonZemo - 6:51pm 6/13/19
                    • We could come to the wedding. - NedoftheHill - 10:04pm 6/13/19
                      • On man would that be funny. Can I trust Conor not to hit on the hot bride though? [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:37am 6/14/19
            • Elvis and he will soon be returning in a Pink Caddy Canoe for the rapture concert. [NT] - Frank L - 11:17am 6/13/19
              • Will he have all of his digits? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 11:23am 6/13/19
                • Will he need to shoot the bird at the crowd? [NT] - Frank L - 11:48am 6/13/19
    • The One would never “admit” to doing this... - Curly1918 - 7:31am 6/13/19
    • There will be a reckoning. - conorlarkin - 9:52pm 6/12/19
      • Since when doing opposition research needs to be reported to FBI? The only potential violation of - Eli - 12:47am 6/13/19
        • When it is done by Republicans...at least, that is the view of the two posters below. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:50am 6/13/19
          • I suspect it's a setup of narrative by media for incoming conclusion of FISA investigation. They - Eli - 1:35pm 6/13/19
        • Because it’s espionage [NT] - Chris94 - 11:45am 6/13/19
          • That's police state tactics. During Maoist era every citizen has obligation to report his contact - Eli - 1:29pm 6/13/19
            • No it isn’t. A candidate/campaign is prohibited from taking assistance from foreign govts by the - Frank L - 1:40pm 6/13/19
              • Which law? Did you read Mueller report? [NT] - Eli - 1:57pm 6/13/19
                • Yeah, I did. Did you? If you did, you would know why there weren’t charges over the - Frank L - 2:03pm 6/13/19
          • Why bother. You are talking to people who would side with the Russians over “liberals”. - Frank L - 11:59am 6/13/19
            • People whom Trump himself has conceded wouldn't care if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue. [NT] - LehighND - 12:43pm 6/13/19
              • This is who demagogues first target. [NT] - Frank L - 1:45pm 6/13/19
        • It is a crime. It is how foreign nations obtain a foothold to gain influence. - conorlarkin - 7:09am 6/13/19
      • There are three reactions to this - Chris94 - 10:16pm 6/12/19
        • Fourth reaction: he’s just the Donald being the Donald. - Curly1918 - 3:08am 6/13/19
          • That’s reaction number two [NT] - Chris94 - 8:43am 6/13/19
            • There are Number Two's on both sides. - NedoftheHill - 11:49am 6/13/19
      • Hypocrite. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:56pm 6/12/19
        • At what age did you decide that your allegiance was for sale? [NT] - conorlarkin - 10:15pm 6/12/19
          • Accuse others of that which you are guilty. Good job. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:15pm 6/12/19
            • Is there no lie, no crime, no murderous dictator Don can befriend, that would change your view ? [NT] - ND521 - 11:31pm 6/12/19
              • Yeah, you guys sure have the moral high ground. - MAS - 1:04am 6/13/19
                • Bravo, you managed to couple your usual 'I'm above it all' self-absolution with false suppositions. [NT] - ND521 - 2:18am 6/13/19
                  • He's our most effective strawman assassin on our board. [NT] - LehighND - 12:53pm 6/13/19
                    • Negative, son! - MAS - 9:40pm 6/13/19
                  • He pretty much nailed it. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:59am 6/13/19
              • There probably is. - NedoftheHill - 12:14am 6/13/19
                • So the singular element of morality for you is a woman's right to choose ? [NT] - ND521 - 12:27am 6/13/19
                  • So you feel the female infants should live? [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:49pm 6/13/19
                  • No, not singular. But don't you agree that the right to life, to not be killed, is most important? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:57am 6/13/19
                    • Actually, my reaction to recent pro-choice initiatives is encapsulated pretty well by Fr. John. [NT] [LINK] - ND521 - 4:28pm 6/13/19
                      • So you agree that the right not to be killed trumps most other moral considerations? - NedoftheHill - 5:14pm 6/13/19
    • Is it just me but I find the term “Banana Republic” extremely racist that white European males - PBHangingChad - 9:33pm 6/12/19
      • PB, you ran in the Pride Parade. You should know that the infuriating Banana Republic horror - Cole - 9:41pm 6/12/19
        • The old Fila tennis shorts? Not a good look on me anymore [NT] - PBHangingChad - 9:42am 6/13/19
    • Whataboutism is a noble defense. All a whataboutist wants is fairness. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:20pm 6/12/19
      • No they don’t. They want to commit the same wrongs they formerly criticized. - Frank L - 11:28pm 6/12/19
        • Of course they do. That's the point. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:15am 6/14/19
    • That's just what Hillary did, who you voted for. [NT] - Cole - 8:54pm 6/12/19
      • Hillary confessed in advance to treasonous felonies she plans to commit in the 2020 election ? [NT] - ND521 - 10:50pm 6/12/19
        • You guys are the ones saying it was treasonous. Her campaign was the one receiving foreign info. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:58pm 6/13/19
      • Few things are more dangerous to a republic than willful ignorance. [NT] - Chris94 - 10:03pm 6/12/19
        • No. Freakin. Kiddin. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:59pm 6/13/19
      • Exactly. He only wants the Dems to be able to do this. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:20pm 6/12/19
        • If Chris thinks this is a crime, then he should've advocated for the arrests of - Cole - 9:27pm 6/12/19
          • What foreign govt, hostile or otherwise supplied them with negative opponent information? [NT] - Frank L - 9:56pm 6/12/19
            • Again what foreign govt supplied info to the D’s? That’s what you leave out. - Frank L - 9:59pm 6/12/19
              • I know of Ukraine, Russia, England. Even Australia helped fabricate stuff. Maybe there are others. [LINK] - NedoftheHill - 10:07pm 6/12/19
                • What info was given to the campaign by these govts? Please don’t confuse intelligence given to our - Frank L - 10:58pm 6/12/19
                  • That's what we are talking about Frank. Maybe you need to read Chris94's post again. - NedoftheHill - 11:16pm 6/12/19
                    • No it was meant for you. No other foreign govt offered dirt to the Clinton campaign as was offered - Frank L - 11:23pm 6/12/19
                      • You didn't read my link, I guess. Whatever. Remain in denial. No worries at my end. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:26pm 6/12/19
                        • I read yer link. It doesn’t support yer assertions. - Frank L - 11:32pm 6/12/19
                          • Thankfully for all of us, his self interest is aligned with the country at this point. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:47pm 6/12/19
                            • Peace. Out. [NT] - Frank L - 11:51pm 6/12/19
                              • Peace. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:18am 6/13/19
              • Responds to Ned below. [NT] - Frank L - 9:59pm 6/12/19
          • No doubt. How does he not see how hypocritical he is being. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:51pm 6/12/19
      • What foreign govt gave her information? [NT] - Frank L - 9:03pm 6/12/19
        • It's just opposition research when Dems do it. If Trump does it, it is treason. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:51pm 6/12/19
          • Exactly. Remember, Biden sought help from the Ukraine against Trump. But no one cares. [NT] - Cole - 8:39am 6/13/19
        • None. She paid for it. [NT] - Iggle - 9:40pm 6/12/19
        • See Dossier, Steele [NT] - ColeyO - 9:18pm 6/12/19
          • So none. [NT] - Frank L - 9:48pm 6/12/19
        • Don't ask me. You should ask FBI to conduct counter-intel investigation to find it out. [NT] - Eli - 9:10pm 6/12/19
    • Did Joe report it to FBI when foreign leaders asked him to run against Trump? Did he report - Eli - 8:48pm 6/12/19
      • Love how he uses Norway as an example instead of the clearly hostile, nuclear armed Russia. - Frank L - 9:07pm 6/12/19
        • Meant to respond to 94. [NT] - Frank L - 9:08pm 6/12/19
      • Well done, dipshit. [NT] - Chris94 - 8:50pm 6/12/19
        • Done only to you, hypocrite. Using your logic, it's clearly foreign interference to U.S. election. [NT] - Eli - 8:53pm 6/12/19
    • Well said by Schindler [NT] [LINK] - Chris94 - 8:31pm 6/12/19
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