Its base definition means allowing people into the country with no documentation.

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Its base definition means allowing people into the country with no documentation.

Author: jakers (13925 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:34 am on Jul 31, 2019

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In other words, no restriction whatsoever on who can physically enter the country. I can't speak for everyone who opposes this, but some of the larger concerns with such a policy are:

1 - Crime - If non-citizens are coming into the country with criminal/violent behavior, deportation is obviously not an option with open borders. Pursuing and detaining criminals who have zero documentation is also a significant challenge.

2 - Resource consumption - Resources are finite, and most require taxpayer funding to some degree. An inflow of non-citizens who pay no taxes puts a strain on the availability of those resources to those are citizens who taxes fund said resources. This would become an enormous issue if the U.S. were to move towards any form of government-funded healthcare, for example. Bottom line, you create a supply/demand issue by leaving immigration unchecked.

3 - Disease - We have a pretty standard set of vaccinations in this country. Our Immigration laws prevent non-citizens from entering the country with certain diseases and without proper vaccinations. This protects the general public's health. Open borders would essentially nullify this protection.

I could go on, but I can't tell if you really wanted to discuss this or are baiting someone.

Replies to: "Its base definition means allowing people into the country with no documentation."

Since it is used in passing a lot, can someone define "open borders" for me? - LehighND - 10:56am 7/31/19 (70) [View All]
- Mechanically, it means decriminalizing entry into the country without permission - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 1:41pm 7/31/19
  - This seems like a non-controversial definition. Isn't this what the Dems are proposing? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:55pm 7/31/19
- Open borders = borders without wall. - Eli - 1:11pm 7/31/19
  - Way to hand it right to Lehigh and Chris on a silver platter. Good job, Slugger! [NT] - MAS - 2:20pm 7/31/19
  - So Trump and the most of the world are for open borders? - LehighND - 1:19pm 7/31/19
    - Like Joe Biden would say “Canadians are clean, well spoken people”. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 3:54pm 7/31/19
      - Articulate and bright! [NT] - Chris94 - 8:45pm 7/31/19
      - Joe Biden is for open borders as well, I guess. [NT] - LehighND - 4:21pm 7/31/19
        Yes, if half ass raising your finger - ColeyO - 6:49pm 7/31/19
        
        More for open blouses... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 4:29pm 7/31/19
    - It’s Eli. Logic and decipherable English hurt his head. [NT] - Frank L - 2:13pm 7/31/19
      - Yeah, lawyerly obfuscation always gives me a headache. I have a waffle brain, not a spaghetti brain [NT] - Eli - 2:30pm 7/31/19
    - You're asking for definition. You're not asking for solution. Solution has to be practical. - Eli - 1:38pm 7/31/19
      - But if I am to be afraid of [Some Dem] because they support open borders... - LehighND - 4:13pm 7/31/19
        Donald "Build that wall" Trump doesn't support open borders. At least you shouldn't be afraid of him [NT] - Eli - 5:22pm 7/31/19
- Do you think that this forum is inappropriately named? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 1:02pm 7/31/19
  - "The Schengen-like Forum" does have a certain ring to it... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:04pm 7/31/19
- Scare phrase for those who want a campaign issue rather than solving the issue. [NT] - Frank L - 11:41am 7/31/19
  - Scary because it is accurate? You aren't addressing the question. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:53pm 7/31/19
    - It’s not accurate to cast D’s as a group as being for “open borders”. - Frank L - 9:57pm 7/31/19
      - Which candidates are not for open borders? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:13am 8/1/19
        Dunno, haven’t watched any of it. [NT] - Frank L - 10:45am 8/1/19
  - Here is the typical Democrat “solution”. Sounds like open borders to me. - CC72 - 12:28pm 7/31/19
    - Yeah. That's not open borders. - LehighND - 1:12pm 7/31/19
      - "If he meant that, he would have said it." Can't argue with naivete like that! - MAS - 2:45pm 7/31/19
        I thought they were proud of it. - LehighND - 4:19pm 7/31/19
        I recall people arguing that they support de facto open borders. I don't recall anyone saying... - MAS - 7:18pm 7/31/19
        Why would prohibit any particular group, in reasonable numbers, immigrating here? [NT] - LehighND - 9:46pm 7/31/19
        You just answered, in so many words. - MAS - 10:05pm 7/31/19
        These candidates support open borders? - LehighND - 11:22pm 7/31/19
        How do you differentiate what the Dem candidates are proposing from open borders? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:02am 8/1/19
        The border between Ireland and Northern Ireland is an open border. - LehighND - 2:18pm 8/1/19
      - He would have said it if he were not a coward. [NT] - CC72 - 1:31pm 7/31/19
    - Okay CC, then why did Orange turn down an absolute secure the border deal last year with 25 bill for - Frank L - 12:48pm 7/31/19
      - Don’t know. Was he given a bill to sign or veto? [NT] - CC72 - 1:08pm 7/31/19
        He had agreed to terms with the D’s until Anne Coulter started yelling at him. - Frank L - 1:11pm 7/31/19
        So no, he never got a bill to sign. [LINK] - CC72 - 1:15pm 7/31/19
        Of course not. He ended up opposing it. If BORDER SECURITY was his concern he would have supported - Frank L - 2:05pm 7/31/19
- Its base definition means allowing people into the country with no documentation. - jakers - 11:34am 7/31/19
  - There is no restriction on who can enter the country? - LehighND - 1:22pm 7/31/19
    - Are you being serious? - jakers - 2:57pm 7/31/19
      - I am trying to get a handle on it. - LehighND - 4:11pm 7/31/19
        Ireland does have restrictions... - NedoftheHill - 5:43pm 7/31/19
        Unless you are bon vivant like Lehigh, Ireland is pretty strict. - Frank L - 8:27pm 7/31/19
        
        You're looking for an argument here and I'm not presenting one. - jakers - 4:35pm 7/31/19
        I don't necessary want to argue. - LehighND - 10:08pm 7/31/19
        Passively aggressive Lehigh... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:43am 8/1/19
        
        This is how I view it as well. - iairishcheeks - 5:15pm 7/31/19
        I am starting to see a pattern, but I don't agree. - LehighND - 10:01pm 7/31/19
        How many people attempt to illegally walk across the border to Ireland? - iairishcheeks - 12:56am 8/1/19
        In the olden days...this might have been a set-up for a Polish joke... - TakethetrainKnute - 12:58pm 8/1/19
        
        What if we just implement Ireland's rules for non-Shengan nations? - NedoftheHill - 12:53am 8/1/19
        Then Lehigh would use Iceland as his example. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:04am 8/1/19
        
        I agree with both of you. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:49pm 7/31/19
        
        I agree with you. This is one of my biggest concerns with nationalized H.C. - jakers - 5:31pm 7/31/19
        I am in favor of nationalized HC in principle. - iairishcheeks - 6:18pm 7/31/19
    - The only place I know of with no or few border checks is within the Schengen zone. - Frank L - 2:41pm 7/31/19
- "Open borders" = scare tactic that no one supports - Chris94 - 11:13am 7/31/19
  - Wrong. Elizabeth Warren espoused them last night in the debate. No wonder you vote Dem...... - BaronVonZemo - 3:42pm 7/31/19
  - any term is fine as long as the government refuses to address the situation. Taking liberties with - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:33am 7/31/19
    - Let's call Trump's border polity "Genocide". - LehighND - 1:05pm 7/31/19
      - Nazis killed with Zyklon B - Iggle - 1:13pm 7/31/19
      - And I was just getting used to "concentration camps"... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:08pm 7/31/19
        Exactly. Leave that crap to the BS politicians. - LehighND - 1:14pm 7/31/19
  - I will leave an old post here [NT] [LINK] - Hank Scorpio - 11:24am 7/31/19
    - So it is like the "War on Women". - LehighND - 1:03pm 7/31/19
    - Old posts never die. - TakethetrainKnute - 12:00pm 7/31/19
  - Explain who Warren and Sanders are trying to scare [NT] - ColeyO - 11:21am 7/31/19
    - Trying to scare up the ghosts of Lenin and Trotsky? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 11:55am 7/31/19