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Ireland does have restrictions...

Author: NedoftheHill (44741 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 5:43 pm on Jul 31, 2019
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Ireland, like every other country, has a general rule of no entry without (a) a passport (valid and not expiring soon), and (b)(i) a visa or (ii) a visa exception.

For example, to go to China, I need a valid passport that will not expire in the next 6 months. I am not aware of any visa exceptions for US citizens who want to go to China, so as far as I know, you need to mail your passport to a Chinese embassy/consulate, and have them stick a visa in your passport. They will most assuredly put your name in a database, and run a check on you. Those visas used to be only short term, requiring constant new visas to be obtained. But, as China has become more reliant on international trade, they started issuing visas which allow short stays, but limitless re-entry during a 10 year period. You have to leave and come back; you can't stay for 10 years. If you have no passport, or if you have a passport without a visa, then the PRC will deny entry. If you stay too long, you will be imprisoned/deported. Obviously, this is not open borders.

Every country is this way by default, unless the country unilaterally passes visa exceptions (or negotiates them with other nations). Common visa exemptions are by citizenship. For example, the UK might grant a blanket visa exemption to any US citizen with a valid passport, to come for a term (e.g., 30 days) for a specific purpose (e.g., business, or tourism). If you are not going for a specifically exempted purpose, you need a visa. If you plan on staying beyond the exemption term, you need a visa. Visas are granted at the discretion of the country you want to visit (within their discretionary statutory guidelines). Just because you traveled to a country like Ireland who granted a visa exemption to US citizens for short visits does not mean that Ireland has open borders. You can easily be deported by them by violating your visa exemption rules...like, if you stay a year and get a job or claim government benefits.

I am fine with this for Mexico, or any other Latin American country. The Democrat candidates are asking for much more, though, don't you agree?


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Ireland does have restrictions..."

  • Since it is used in passing a lot, can someone define "open borders" for me? - LehighND - 10:56am 7/31/19 (70) [View All]
    • Mechanically, it means decriminalizing entry into the country without permission - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 1:41pm 7/31/19
      • This seems like a non-controversial definition. Isn't this what the Dems are proposing? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:55pm 7/31/19
    • Open borders = borders without wall. - Eli - 1:11pm 7/31/19
      • Way to hand it right to Lehigh and Chris on a silver platter. Good job, Slugger! [NT] - MAS - 2:20pm 7/31/19
      • So Trump and the most of the world are for open borders? - LehighND - 1:19pm 7/31/19
        • Like Joe Biden would say “Canadians are clean, well spoken people”. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 3:54pm 7/31/19
          • Articulate and bright! [NT] - Chris94 - 8:45pm 7/31/19
          • Joe Biden is for open borders as well, I guess. [NT] - LehighND - 4:21pm 7/31/19
            • Yes, if half ass raising your finger - ColeyO - 6:49pm 7/31/19
            • More for open blouses... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 4:29pm 7/31/19
        • It’s Eli. Logic and decipherable English hurt his head. [NT] - Frank L - 2:13pm 7/31/19
          • Yeah, lawyerly obfuscation always gives me a headache. I have a waffle brain, not a spaghetti brain [NT] - Eli - 2:30pm 7/31/19
        • You're asking for definition. You're not asking for solution. Solution has to be practical. - Eli - 1:38pm 7/31/19
          • But if I am to be afraid of [Some Dem] because they support open borders... - LehighND - 4:13pm 7/31/19
            • Donald "Build that wall" Trump doesn't support open borders. At least you shouldn't be afraid of him [NT] - Eli - 5:22pm 7/31/19
    • Do you think that this forum is inappropriately named? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 1:02pm 7/31/19
      • "The Schengen-like Forum" does have a certain ring to it... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:04pm 7/31/19
    • Scare phrase for those who want a campaign issue rather than solving the issue. [NT] - Frank L - 11:41am 7/31/19
      • Scary because it is accurate? You aren't addressing the question. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:53pm 7/31/19
        • It’s not accurate to cast D’s as a group as being for “open borders”. - Frank L - 9:57pm 7/31/19
          • Which candidates are not for open borders? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:13am 8/1/19
            • Dunno, haven’t watched any of it. [NT] - Frank L - 10:45am 8/1/19
      • Here is the typical Democrat “solution”. Sounds like open borders to me. - CC72 - 12:28pm 7/31/19
        • Yeah. That's not open borders. - LehighND - 1:12pm 7/31/19
          • "If he meant that, he would have said it." Can't argue with naivete like that! - MAS - 2:45pm 7/31/19
            • I thought they were proud of it. - LehighND - 4:19pm 7/31/19
              • I recall people arguing that they support de facto open borders. I don't recall anyone saying... - MAS - 7:18pm 7/31/19
                • Why would prohibit any particular group, in reasonable numbers, immigrating here? [NT] - LehighND - 9:46pm 7/31/19
                  • You just answered, in so many words. - MAS - 10:05pm 7/31/19
                    • These candidates support open borders? - LehighND - 11:22pm 7/31/19
                      • How do you differentiate what the Dem candidates are proposing from open borders? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:02am 8/1/19
                        • The border between Ireland and Northern Ireland is an open border. - LehighND - 2:18pm 8/1/19
          • He would have said it if he were not a coward. [NT] - CC72 - 1:31pm 7/31/19
        • Okay CC, then why did Orange turn down an absolute secure the border deal last year with 25 bill for - Frank L - 12:48pm 7/31/19
          • Don’t know. Was he given a bill to sign or veto? [NT] - CC72 - 1:08pm 7/31/19
            • He had agreed to terms with the D’s until Anne Coulter started yelling at him. - Frank L - 1:11pm 7/31/19
              • So no, he never got a bill to sign. [LINK] - CC72 - 1:15pm 7/31/19
                • Of course not. He ended up opposing it. If BORDER SECURITY was his concern he would have supported - Frank L - 2:05pm 7/31/19
    • Its base definition means allowing people into the country with no documentation. - jakers - 11:34am 7/31/19
      • There is no restriction on who can enter the country? - LehighND - 1:22pm 7/31/19
        • Are you being serious? - jakers - 2:57pm 7/31/19
          • I am trying to get a handle on it. - LehighND - 4:11pm 7/31/19
            • Ireland does have restrictions... - NedoftheHill - 5:43pm 7/31/19
              • Unless you are bon vivant like Lehigh, Ireland is pretty strict. - Frank L - 8:27pm 7/31/19
            • You're looking for an argument here and I'm not presenting one. - jakers - 4:35pm 7/31/19
              • I don't necessary want to argue. - LehighND - 10:08pm 7/31/19
                • Passively aggressive Lehigh... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:43am 8/1/19
              • This is how I view it as well. - iairishcheeks - 5:15pm 7/31/19
                • I am starting to see a pattern, but I don't agree. - LehighND - 10:01pm 7/31/19
                  • How many people attempt to illegally walk across the border to Ireland? - iairishcheeks - 12:56am 8/1/19
                    • In the olden days...this might have been a set-up for a Polish joke... - TakethetrainKnute - 12:58pm 8/1/19
                  • What if we just implement Ireland's rules for non-Shengan nations? - NedoftheHill - 12:53am 8/1/19
                    • Then Lehigh would use Iceland as his example. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:04am 8/1/19
                • I agree with both of you. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:49pm 7/31/19
                • I agree with you. This is one of my biggest concerns with nationalized H.C. - jakers - 5:31pm 7/31/19
                  • I am in favor of nationalized HC in principle. - iairishcheeks - 6:18pm 7/31/19
        • The only place I know of with no or few border checks is within the Schengen zone. - Frank L - 2:41pm 7/31/19
    • "Open borders" = scare tactic that no one supports - Chris94 - 11:13am 7/31/19
      • Wrong. Elizabeth Warren espoused them last night in the debate. No wonder you vote Dem...... - BaronVonZemo - 3:42pm 7/31/19
      • any term is fine as long as the government refuses to address the situation. Taking liberties with - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:33am 7/31/19
        • Let's call Trump's border polity "Genocide". - LehighND - 1:05pm 7/31/19
          • Nazis killed with Zyklon B - Iggle - 1:13pm 7/31/19
          • And I was just getting used to "concentration camps"... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:08pm 7/31/19
            • Exactly. Leave that crap to the BS politicians. - LehighND - 1:14pm 7/31/19
      • I will leave an old post here [NT] [LINK] - Hank Scorpio - 11:24am 7/31/19
        • So it is like the "War on Women". - LehighND - 1:03pm 7/31/19
        • Old posts never die. - TakethetrainKnute - 12:00pm 7/31/19
      • Explain who Warren and Sanders are trying to scare [NT] - ColeyO - 11:21am 7/31/19
        • Trying to scare up the ghosts of Lenin and Trotsky? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 11:55am 7/31/19
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